Thursday, August 20, 2009

Barney Frank -- A Democrat With Balls

By Chip Berlet -- Researcher and Author covering civil rights and civil liberties.

Posted: August 19, 2009 10:22 PM

Barney Frank Slams LaRouchite Fascism at Healthcare Meeting

Right-wing demagogues have gotten a lot of mileage comparing universal health care to government “national socialism,” but when a woman castigating Congressman Barney Frank held up a sign comparing President Obama to Hitler, Frank did the right thing. The woman holding the LaRouchite manufactured sign -- depicting Obama with a cowlick and Hitler mustache -- confronted Frank by saying of Obama’s healthcare reform, “This policy is actually already on its way out. It already has been defeated by LaRouche. My question to you is, why do you continue to support a Nazi policy... as Obama has?"

But Barney Frank recognized the tiresome neofascist LaRouchite protestors for what they were. He glared at the LaRouchite and asked "On what planet do you spend most of your time?" He then turned serious. "You stand there with a picture of the President defaced to look like Hitler and compare the effort to increase health care to the Nazis," said Frank. "It is a tribute to the First Amendment that this kind of vile, contemptible nonsense is so freely propagated." Then, with his classic biting wit, Frank said: "Trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table, I have no interest in doing it." See video here.

Right Wing hacks and demagogues immediately filled the Internet with denunciations of Frank for abusing a constituent. Congratulations. We await their apologies. Inadvertently, these pro-Republican stooges were siding with a racist, sexist, homophobic, antisemitic, neofascist cult. It is reminiscent of the Nazi rag Der Stürmer. See some images from Der Stürmer: here.

Are the LaRouchites really fascists? You bet.

Jewish organizations across the political spectrum have called LaRouche not only an anti-semite but also a “small-time Hitler.” The late Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D-NY) warned against ignoring the "infiltration by the neo-Nazi elements of Lyndon H. LaRouche," and worried that too often, especially in the media, "the LaRouchites" are "dismissed as kooks….In an age of ideology, in an age of totalitarianism, it will not suffice for a political party to be indifferent to and ignorant about such a movement," said Moynihan. Ironically, when the New York Times covered Moynihan's speech, they showed cowardice by repeatedly substituting the softer term "fascist" wherever Moynihan had said "nazi."

Dennis King’s book on the cult was titled Lyndon LaRouche and the New American Fascism. Read it online here.

I have written popular and scholarly studies identifying the LaRouchites as neofascists. You can find the details here.

So the Republican spinmeisters, right-wing radio and TV demagogues, and insurance company hacks have a tough decision. They can denounce the odious LaRouchite neofascists who have allied themselves with the right-wing populist protests against health care reform; or they can continue to lie in bed with these strange bedfellows who are heirs to Nazi propaganda techniques complete with the big lies, antisemitism, racism, and “vile, contemptible” claims.

Thanks Barney, for setting the record straight, as only a proud gay Jewish Democrat with an urban accent could. That's why he gets getting elected by a diverse constituency... he stands up, talks plain, and does the right thing. We could learn a lesson here.

38 comments:

Brandon said...

"...and does the right thing"
-CJP

What, lies to the voters and congress?

Reaper said...

Clinton lied about a blow job. W lied about going to war. Isn't the cons outrage a little misplaced?

BB, it's a little hard to take you all seriously, especially with your new leader, Palin.

Brandon said...

"Clinton lied about a blow job. W lied about going to war. Isn't the cons outrage a little misplaced?"
-Reaper

Are you trying to change the topic? We are talking about Frank not Bush or Clinton. I dont agree with lying period! Republican or democrats, if you lie your a losser! Barny Frank lied and still continues to lie. Then he would like you believe the recession is the conservatives fault.

Why is doesnt he just accept the fact he was wrong and be a man?

RayGun said...

BB, please show me in writing, what you talking about with Barney. From a decent source.

Brandon said...

Whats the matter, you can handle watching him say it in a video? Maybe you should get some headphones.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuqcCPw9VK0

RayGun said...

JC BB, took me 2 seconds to confirm everything I have been saying. First article I looked at. Moodys, AAA, lack of regulation. JC.


http://www.stock-market-investors.com/stock-investment-risk/the-subprime-mortgage-crisis-explained.html

Brandon said...

"Here is the big picture and how it works:

An individual gets a mortgage loan from a broker. Then the broker sells the mortgage to a bank, which in its turn again sells the mortgage but this time to an investment firm on Wall Street"
-Stock Market Investors

Lack of regulation over subprime lending caused this. Democrats didnt want to regulate sub prime lending because then the poor minorities wouldnt be able to buy a home!

Some people should never buy homes!

RayGun said...

"Lack of regulation over subprime lending caused this."

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You really think the US poor people buying homes, almost brought down the entire global economy? Wow.

Brandon said...

"You really think the US poor people buying homes, almost brought down the entire global economy? Wow."
-Raygun

It most definitely played a part! Also, it not just the poor. Sub prime loans are not limited to the poor. They are high risk loans, that people should never get, but thanks to Freddy and Fanny those risky loans get out there in the name of the poor.

RayGun said...

Sure Brandon, your despised poor people certainly played a part, albeit a small one.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_48/b4110036448352.htm

Please don't cherry pick this article. And this is Business Week, not wikapedia or UTube.

Brandon, buddy,I did find a very reputable source which talks about Clinton, W, Carter, FHA, etc, but it's all downplayed, as in of minor importance.

BB, look at my sources. Krugman (Nobel Prize winning Economist and Princeton economics professor), Time Magazine, Business Week, NY Times, etc.

Look at your sources. Wikipedia, UTube, bloggers graphs...

Where is the truth probably going to be found?

And of course you have your acclaimed leaders, Palin, Beck, Hannity, George the Plumber, etc.

Baaaa Haaaa Haaaaa, cough, cough, cough. Damn, I have to quite laughing so hard.

Anonymous said...

Reaper: The issue is not that Clinton lied to us about sex, but he lied to an officials request for the truth. He lied under an oath to God. Does that mean nothing to you?

RayGun said...

"but he lied to an officials request for the truth"

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And why was he being forced to lie about a blow job under oath? Good God, Clinton was forced to tell the truth about a blow job, and W was never forced to talk about all his lies leading us into Iraq. That's pretty ridiculous, isn't it?

One major reason I choose one candidate over the other, is whether that candidate really appears to believe in imaginary beings. I don't think Clinton and Obama truly believes. I think Bush and Palin truly believe in an imaginary being guiding their every move.

Belief in an imaginary being (who is predicting the apocalypse), by a person who can start the apocalypse, is dangerous.

Brandon said...

"One major reason I choose one candidate over the other, is whether that candidate really appears to believe in imaginary beings."
-Reaper

WOW! You sound like those people who told Columbus the world was flat. Criticizing people for thinking differently then you when you CANT disprove them.

You call your self a progessive?

And what does this have to do with Barney Frank lying? Why do you justify lying to American with the classic democratic response for everything, "BUSH DID IT"?

RayGun said...

"Criticizing people for thinking differently then you when you CANT disprove them. "

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BB, how can I disprove something that does not exist?

Brandon said...

"BB, how can I disprove something that does not exist?"
-Raygun

I dont know, but maybe you should be more opened minded! Science doesnt explain everything.

"And why was he being forced to lie about a blow job under oath?"
-Raygun

Why was he?

Are you saying you would trust a man who cant even be faithful to his WIFE? You expect him to tell the truth to America?

RayGun said...

"I dont know, but maybe you should be more opened minded! Science doesnt explain everything."

BB, when Jesus's followers can do any of the things he said any of his followers should be able to do, then I'll believe. No one can do any of what Jesus (God) said you should be able to do. No one.

"Are you saying you would trust a man who cant even be faithful to his WIFE? You expect him to tell the truth to America? "

BB, leave people the fk alone. Blow jobs are none of your business. Lying about Iraq is all of our business. Where's the comparable outrage? Do you see how religion (in this case, fear of blowjobs) has tainted everything? Do you see how misplaced priorities are?

Brandon said...

"BB, leave people the fk alone. Blow jobs are none of your business. Lying about Iraq is all of our business. Where's the comparable outrage?"
-Raygun

He was the president and it is my buisness and there you go again blaming Bush or setting your standards at Bush. I am not impressed with the job Bush did. I hold my politicians to a higher standard. Maybe you should try it sometime. Clinton is a liar, Bush is a liar and Barney Frank is a liar. Why dont we get together and oust all of them?

Its funny how you justify democrats lying with republicans lying. ITS ALL WRONG! WAKE UP!

Brandon said...

"BB, when Jesus's followers can do any of the things he said any of his followers should be able to do, then I'll believe. No one can do any of what Jesus (God) said you should be able to do. No one."
-Raygun

I am not going to debate this topic because I dont know enough about the bible. I have never read the entire thing and have only been to church a few time.

RayGun said...

"Its funny how you justify democrats lying with republicans lying. ITS ALL WRONG! WAKE UP! "

JC, BB, a lie is not a lie. A blowjob lie is meaningless. Why should you care? Because of God?

W lied about Iraq. That cost trillions and many lives. Plus thousands that are disabled. That lie matters.

Brandon said...

"JC, BB, a lie is not a lie"
-Raygun

Not a very convincing argument!

"A blowjob lie is meaningless. Why should you care? Because of God?"
-Raygun

It has nothing to do with god, if a man cant be honost with his wife how can I trust him? Do you really think he cares more about you than his family? Look at what he is willing to do to his family!

Back to Bush, again, I dont know all the details about Iraq. I do know there were a few good things that came out of it but your right it did cost alot. Money and lives!

Barney Frank is the liar I am talking about. He said the housing market was safe and that we didnt need to regulate Freddy and Fanny loans to families because that would only hurt low income and minorities. Now he is saying he wanted to regulate them and the republicans laughed at him.

RayGun said...

"Look at what he is willing to do to his family!"

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BB, it's programmed into all of us. Sex, reproduction, pleasure. What don't you get?

Once you drag God into the equation, all is lost. You can make an imaginary God say whatever you want. And you cons do. You make him say love thy money and hate thy poor. Ass backwards. That's not what the God in the good books says to do. He says love thy poor and hate money (99 out of 100 times)

You see why religion is so dangerous, in this day and age especially?

Brandon said...

"BB, it's programmed into all of us. Sex, reproduction, pleasure. What don't you get?"
-Raygun

Money, greed and scandals! We are not animals, its called self control. If he will wreck his own family then why wouldnt he risk another scandal for money?

RayGun said...

"Money, greed and scandals! We are not animals, its called self control. "

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BB, you numskull, you don't get life. Go watch "The Tudors", "MadMen", or go listen to "U2". Or go read any of the greats, Anna Kerenna, I could go on forever..., never mind.

Go listen to Beck. Forget that, as you probably are already watching.

Brandon said...

"BB, you numskull, you don't get life"
-Raygun

Sounds like you have ran out of B.S. Lying is lying and you cant argue that!

RayGun said...

"The Tudors", "MadMen", or go listen to "U2"

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JC, BB, The Tudors (King Henry 8th), wow, great shows. And all true stories. King Henry started the Church of England (as to get rid of the Catholic Church) as he wanted to marry Anne Boleyn (who was Protestant), and the Pope would not go along with his divorce (at the time) of Anne of Aragon (who was a devout Catholic). So he finally bedded Anne, then had her beheaded so he could marry Jane Seymour ... Thats as far as I have gotten with "The Tudors". The point is, good ol Henry went through 6 wives +, and how many mistresses, and ruined how many churches, so he could bed many, many, many women.

BB, maybe I should double check with you, as you don't seem to understand blow jobs from beautiful women (Clinton), are you gay? Although there is nothing wrong with being gay.

RayGun said...

Sorry Bb.

Anne of Aragon

is actually

Catherine of Aragon.

Sorry for the confusion.

Brandon said...

"BB, maybe I should double check with you, as you don't seem to understand blow jobs from beautiful women (Clinton), are you gay?"
-Reaper

No, I am not gay, but I do respect my girlfriend. I also have enough self control to say no to a pretty face. Maybe you should try a little self control and put down the bottle.

King Henry 8th is a good example of a selfish man, who doesnt care who he hurts alone his way.

RayGun said...

"but I do respect my girlfriend."
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Oh dear Brandon, I long for your infinite wisdom, bygone from the days of my youth. Everything used to be so simple.

But, all humans perceive things differently. For example, recent studies have shown redheads experience pain 20 percent more than others. Another example; Many American Indians have more fondness for alcohol than others.

On and on.

That being said, you need to understand that not everyone is like you. So, whatever chemical causes many men to wander, maybe you don't have as much of it in your system, and you call it "respect for my girlfriend". The rich, powerful, influential wander all the time. Watch the news. So if your degree of sexual motivation is different from most other mens, that's ok Brandon. If your gay, that's ok also. But please remember, not everyone is just like you, nor me, nor anyone else. We are all different because of genetic variance. This is good, as some of us might survive if world circumstances should change.

You following me?

Stated another way, we are all sentient beings, including animals. We all have senses, that allow us to feel, but the degree of those feelings differ from one being to another.

Does that help?

Brandon said...

"...whatever chemical causes many men to wander, maybe you don't have as much of it in your system, and you call it "respect for my girlfriend"."
-Raygun

Thats nice, but it doesnt explain or excuse him lying about his actions. If all he did was get a blow job and then tell the world and his family, that makes him an ass hole. If he tries to hide the fact he got the blow job, it makes him a liar.

Hes either an ass hole or liar!

Why is it that people are labled racist when they imply differences between races? You said yourself that there are differences besides skin color.

Are you just avoiding the fact Barney Frank is a liar and choosing to avoid the topic?

RayGun said...

"Are you just avoiding the fact Barney Frank is a liar and choosing to avoid the topic"

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Whatever he lied about in your head, I am giving him a pass in my head.

Cons are the king of lies, and the cons lies matter. Lying about Iraq, lying about death panels, lying about trickle down, lying about abortions being provided for in the health care bill, all have real consequences. Blow jobs don't matter except in religious nuts heads, and maybe a wife, who got over it. Why can't you get over a blowjob BB?

And BB, if you think all lies are created equal, you have a screw loose.

Brandon said...

"Why can't you get over a blowjob BB?"
-Raygun

You really cant keep it on topic! I am talking about Barney Frank, not Bill Clinton, the republicans or any other person. Only Barney Frank! He is a liar, he tried to blame the failures of the housing market on the republicans and then said he wasnt against regulating Freddy and Fanny.

Three years prior, he said that Freddy and Fanny were just fine and that no regulation was needed to control them. That the housing bubble wasnt the same as the dot com bubble. IT WOULDNT POP!

LOL, could he be more wrong?

Brandon said...

Barney Frank
IT WOULDNT POP!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW5qKYfqALE

Why is Barney Frank recieving campaign contributions from Fannie & Freddie?

Why is any politician recieving money from a government backed lender?

Chart:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SnUyTNZ4LC4/SObO1IwHGQI/AAAAAAAAA4A/3fftXIP_tcs/s400/fannie_freddie_friends.gif

Brandon said...

Barney Frank
IT WOULDNT POP!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW5qKYfqALE

Why is Barney Frank recieving campaign contributions from Fannie & Freddie?

Why is any politician recieving money from a government backed lender?

Chart:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SnUyTNZ4LC4/SObO1IwHGQI/AAAAAAAAA4A/3fftXIP_tcs/s400/fannie_freddie_friends.gif

Vernon Malcolm said...

It is the realtors and builders and mortgage brokers who need to be regulated by the Federal Reserve. Realtors did away with professional appraisors by lobbying for the right to do this themselves. Then they did away with the hard earned skills of professional engineers by getting themselves the right to do home inspections. They got themselves the right to do these things when they lack the decade of experience.

CJP said...

You make some excellent points, Vernon. Thank you.

Brandon said...

"Realtors did away with professional appraisors by lobbying for the right to do this themselves."
-Vernon

What problems did that cause?

"Then they did away with the hard earned skills of professional engineers by getting themselves the right to do home inspections."
-Vernon

What problem did that cause?

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