If I may quote the wise, insightful words of my dear Internet friend, Reaper:
"Oh, that's another thing the crazy Cons hate -- blow-jobs. Damn, if you Cons would of just left Bill alone, he may of had more time to get Osama Bin Laden. Thanks cons, for your pious disregard of freedom and your love of telling others what to do."
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LOOK WHOS TALKING! You libs just want to take everyones money and throw it in a big mixing pot. That is fine with you because you will have more than you started with!
FUNNY EMAIL
OBAMA'S FIRST FOUR MONTHS ACCOMPLISHMENTS
(Have a Valium close at hand before reading this!)
1. Offended the Queen of England.
2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia.
3. Praised the Marxist Daniel Ortega.
4. Kissed Hugo Chavez on the cheek.
5. Endorsed the Socialist Evo Morales of Bolivia.
6. Announced we would meet with Iranians with NO pre-conditions.
7. Gave away billions to AIG also without pre-conditions.
8. Expanded the bailouts.
9. Insulted everyone who has ever loved a Special Olympian.
10. Doubled our national debt.
11. Announced a termination of the space defense system the day after the North Koreans launched an ICBM.
12. Despite the urgings of his own CIA director and the prior four CIA directors, released information on intelligence gathering.
13. Accepted without public comment the fact that FIVE of his cabinet members cheated on their taxes and two others withdrew after they couldn't take the heat.
14. Appointed a Homeland Security Chief, Janet Napolitano, who quickly identified as "dangers to the nation," groups including Veterans Of The Military, and opponents to abortion on demand, and who ordered that the word "Terrorism" no longer be used but instead referred to such acts as "Man Made Disasters".
15. Circled the globe so he could openly apologize for America's greatness.
16. Told the Mexican President that the violence in their country was because of us.
17. Politicized the census by moving it into the White House from its Department of Commerce origins.
18. Appointed as Attorney General, Eric Holder, the man who orchestrated the forced removal and expulsion from America to Cuba of a nine-year old (Elian Gonzalez) whose mother died trying to bring him to a life of freedom in the United States.
19. Salutes as heroes three Navy SEALS who took down three terrorists in a boat who threatened one American life, and the next day announces that members of the Bush administration will likely stand trial for "torturing" one terrorist by pouring water up his nose, who had played a part in killing 3000 Americans on 9/11.
20. Allowed Air Force One to circle low over New York City for a photo op.
21. Sent his National Defense Advisor to Europe to assure Europe that the US will no longer treat Israel in a special manner and they might be on their own with the Muslims.
22. Began the process of nationalizing the Auto Industry and the Insurance Industry.
23. Announced that for all intents and purposes the Health Insurance Industry will be nationalized.
And, let us not forget that just before being sworn in, wrote a letter to the FORMER President of France (Chirac) declaring his pleasure in working with him in the future to improve relations between the US and the French. (FYI, Since April 2008, Chirac has been a retired, private citizen)... Ooops!
Good to see you have all the Baloney stacked up in one place.
Obama claims he got a $1.3 trillion dollar deficit from Bush. What happend to the money? How did he get a $1.3 trillion dollar deficit?
JC Brandon, have you gone off on the deep end?
Who the fk cares about that list of little terds? W, lied about fking Iraq and ballooned our debt by 5+ trillion dollars.
Bush did that over 8yrs and Obama has done almost half that in 8 months. When are you going to hold Obama to a higher standard than Bush. Bush wasnt my favorite president and I disagree with alot of the things he did. All I hear from you and CJP is how much you love everything Obama is doing and you refuse to admit that anything Obama is doing is bad. Idiot!
JFKC Brandon, Obama inherited a disaster. Our civilization ... never mind. He got us through nothing that has ever happened before. Something totally new.
It's not over. I suspect hyper inflation will eventually be the result of our fiat money supply (printing paper). All fiat based money systems have eventually collapsed. Rome, etc. All.
Buy gold.
"Obama inherited a disaster"
-Reaper
Or caused one? The democrats were against fixing the lending industry!
"Or caused one? The democrats were against fixing the lending industry!"
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Comon BB, everyone agrees that lax regulations everywhere, got us into this mess.
Do you now agree that we need more regulations?
BB, will you please get Bonos autograph for me when you go to Ireland? Are you Irish Catholic?
You don't get Bono, do you?
"Do you now agree that we need more regulations?"
-Reaper
I think people need to learn their lessons about borrowing money the cant pay back. Stop allowing people to simply file bankruptcy and giving them bailouts.
BB, I agree on the bailouts, but until the grand pyramid scheme, called the stock market and banking industry, is reeled in, bailouts are better than collapse.
I say prepare for hyper inflation. The government has little choice, 35-40 percent unemployment, or print more money and hyper inflation. Who knows?
10. Doubled our national debt.
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JC BB, "there you go again". Get a grip. Not even close to true.
Your a nut case if you really thought unemployement would reach 30-40%. Obama must have scared the shit out of you, with his scare tactics.
Dont you realize Obama is using the same tactics that Bush did after 9/11. Now we are stuck with the patriot act. You call yourself a progressive?
BB (brains of bone), the great depression approached those unemployment figures, after the market crash. Do you remember where our stock market was not long ago? Thanks to the smartest guys in the room. I don't know BB, but we certainly know that the cons are wrong about everything, so thanks for letting me know I am right.
And Obama never said anything like that, he's not a terrorist, like the cons are.
the stock market fell to almost zero during the great depression. We fell to about half and unemployment during the great depression never went over 25%. We are around 10%. No comparison
W"e are around 10%."
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Thanks Obama for stopping it there. We know it could of been much worse.
JC BB,all the experts said we came as close to a total financial collapse as you can come. Krugman (Nobel Prize winner, Princeton economics professor), by far a friend of Obama, said it. So did many, many, many others. What would a total financial collapse do to the stock market?
Seriously, do you watch Faux News? No one is saying this stuff, so you have to be watching FN.
Plus you and evil anon, came up with the same bogus debt figure you listed in 10).
BB, I didn't realize the market got that low in the depression. Amazing. What was it down to 42 from 300+ ? Big drop.
"Plus you and evil anon, came up with the same bogus debt figure you listed in 10)."
-Reaper
I copied that list from an email I recieved. You are correct, #10 is incorrect! What about the rest of the list. Some of it is crap but some of it is true.
"...200 economists, including some Nobel laureates and other highly respected scholars, who “do not believe that more government spending is a way to improve economic performance”
contrary to widespread claims that “Economists from across the political spectrum agree” on a massive fiscal stimulus package."
source:
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/01/28/economists-against-the-stimulus/
Lets face it, the economists cant agree on stimulus or no stimulus. So lets not pass a stimulus package and save ourselves one trillion dollars!
Where would be we today without stimulus?
11% unemployment and the stock market about 500-1000 points lower?
Lets not forget about a trillion less in debt!
"Lets not forget about a trillion less in debt! "
Fk Brandon, 1 trillion barely feeds the con chickens. Bush borrowed 5+ trillion, and he's the gd fiscal conservative. Why didn't he cut government to balance the budget?
Reagen ran even bigger deficits than W, relatively. (And I give Reagen a pass, as communism was bad).
Unlike you I was yelling at the top of my lungs about running a deficit budget! I am pissed off at Bush for it and I would also say Bush did a poor job of representing me. Obama is even worse, he is a nightmare. He has done almost 2 trillion in 8 months. I cant imagine how bad the debt will be when he is done. We really really really need to clean up the nation debt before it consumes our country!
BB, they are mincing words.
“do not believe that more government spending is a way to improve economic performance” — contrary to widespread claims that “Economists from across the political spectrum agree” on a massive fiscal stimulus package."
Go see where the stimulus went. I believe at least one third went to tax cuts. Don't you like tax cuts?
BB, I swear, someone is out of touch with reality. The entire economic system nearly collapsed. 1.3 trillion in printed paper, is a small price to pay for the cons misdeeds. It will probably go higher.
"* Tax Relief - includes
$15 B for Infrastructure and Science,
$61 B for Protecting the Vulnerable,
$25 B for Education and Training and
$22 B for Energy, so total funds are
$126 B for Infrastructure and Science,
$142 B for Protecting the Vulnerable,
$78 B for Education and Training, and
$65 B for Energy."
More redistribution of wealth!
"BB, I swear, someone is out of touch with reality. The entire economic system nearly collapsed. 1.3 trillion in printed paper, is a small price to pay for the cons misdeeds. It will probably go higher."
-Reaper
2 problems with your comment:
1. The democrats caused this mess. You agreed that the problem was the lack of regulation in the banking industry. The democrats blocked legislation to regulate Freddy and Fanny.
2. We are still responsible for printed money.
What happends to an elderly couple ready to retire and higher inflation kicks in. Isnt that the same thing as taking money from their retirement fund. Devaluing their dollar to pay for government spending.
$15 B for Infrastructure and Science,
$61 B for Protecting the Vulnerable,
$25 B for Education and Training and
$22 B for Energy, so total funds are
$126 B for Infrastructure and Science,
$142 B for Protecting the Vulnerable,
$78 B for Education and Training, and
$65 B for Energy."
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Comon BB, that's not Obama wasting 1.3 trillion. Add the above up. If you want to call the above waste.
What about W's fking 600 billion dollar defense. Thats a fking waste.
We can hardly move out here in western Washington, because of so much GD road construction, due to stimulus. That means jobs. That means people have money to support business.
BB, this is all new shit. No one knows the right answer. An entire economic collapse just does not happen every day.
BB, to much regulation is the cons whale song. You've been singing that indescribable song for decades. Now suddenly, de-regulation is the Dems fault?
" Now suddenly, de-regulation is the Dems fault?"
-Reaper
Watch this video, Barney Frank saying the housing market is safe!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuqcCPw9VK0
Did you watch the other video I posted that showed the democrats screaming how we DONT need regulation over the lending that Freddy and Fanny.
So when did it become the conservitives fault?
The road construction is nice and it has its benifits, but what about when we have to pay that money back?
Short term gain, long term pain!
This is going to be the most expensive road construction project you will ever see. We are paying cost plus interest. Instead of just paying for it out right.
Sorry B, I don't watch videos on computer where i have to listen, as I don't have speakers.
And whatever, Frank was not in control of the entire congress etc.
BB, it was the shifty gd bankers, making up all this weird derivative junk, packaged up where no one could tell what the real value of the junk was. Moodys rated all that junk AAA, even they couldn't understand it. No one could understand it, except the gd slimey bankers, whom cashed out way before the entire collapse. Then the US government had to give money to the saps that bought that junk, once it imploded.
Hence, there should of been more regulation.
"Short term gain, long term pain!"
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But BB, Obama cut taxes. W cut taxes. Reagen cut taxes. The all borrowed to pay for those tax cuts, and not one of them came close to balancing the budget.
Then watch this video, it has music, but you have to read everything important.
Bankers were pressured into making those loans and alot falls on Freddy and Fanny who are sponsored by the government. Where do you get off blaming it on the conservatives?
WATCH THIS ONE!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4
"Obama cut taxes. W cut taxes. Reagen cut taxes. The all borrowed to pay for those tax cuts, and not one of them came close to balancing the budget."
-Reaper
Your 100% RIGHT! I hate all of them for it! I would gladly pay higher taxes for a short time so we could get out of debt. So long as taxes were drasticly cut once we were out of debt.
BB, I watched a little of the video. Carter was mentioned etc. Carter started it etc. But then why didnt the gd cons, when in control of all 3 branches of government, for 6 years, change Carters rules?
BB, that was a really unprofessional mix of facts and produced by who? JC, the quick look at sources I saw, sucked. Washington Post, Wikepedia, comon...
only one branch of government can create legislation. The republicans couldnt pass the bills because they were being blocked from the democrats and middle leaning repubicans. Fools!
Why hasnt Obama mentioned anything about fixing this problem. Instead he wants to bailout the same people that caused it. Some people shouldnt have homes and pressuring banks into giving them loans is stupid. As the video showed as the number of sub prime morgages increased, so did home values. Finally the cycle was broken and the forclosures increased. This trapped home owners in their loans that they couldnt repay. MORE FORECLOSURES!
Why didnt the democrats support regulation of Freddy and Fanny?
BB, those loans were made because the mortgage companies were not enforcing the rules. They got greedy, and thought prices would just keep rising (sure, sure, they actually believed it) and fix everything.
BB, you cons hate regulations. Admit it. You want to be free (but of course under your own terms).
Progressives see the evil, but also the necessary need, for regulations.
BB, we are in a different world than Reagens world. Times have changed. This is new shit.
"BB, those loans were made because the mortgage companies were not enforcing the rules."
-Reaper
No the rules were the problem.
The government was rewarding lenders that gave loans to the poor.
Obama was involved with a lawsuit against country wide, because they werent lending to as much to minorities. We also know that minorities tend to have a lower income.
So isnt that the same thing as forcing banks to make bad loans?
"So isnt that the same thing as forcing banks to make bad loans?"
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BB, that was a small part of the lead up to the near economic collapse.
The big part of the near collapse was that the smartest guys in the room, were coming up with bs derivative junk, that most others had a hard time understanding. Think Moodys. They rated all that derivative toxic junk as AAA. Even they couldn't understand it (apparently).
Why did we allow the smartest guys in the room to bs everyone that way? Don't you know people like that in your life? Full of baloney, but good at making stuff up (on the fly), and making it sound like they know what is going on? They made it up, then the cons (con men, or just plain cons :-)) cashed out, as they knew the ruse was up.
"The big part of the near collapse was that the smartest guys in the room, were coming up with bs derivative junk, that most others had a hard time understanding."
-Reaper
No, it was bad loans, plain and simple! People bought houses they couldnt afford. The government pressured and rewarded banks for giving these people the ability to purchase these homes. 91% of Freddy Mac consisted of sub prime morgages.
Would you tie 91% of your company up in high risk contracts?
They were begging for a banking collapse.
"Would you tie 91% of your company up in high risk contracts?
They were begging for a banking collapse. "
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BB, it was all wrapped up in convoluted packages, then sold off, with Moody AAA ratings. Why didn't Moodys see the bad contracts? Why didn't the receiving banks see it?
"BB, it was all wrapped up in convoluted packages, then sold off, with Moody AAA ratings. Why didn't Moodys see the bad contracts? Why didn't the receiving banks see it?"
-Reaper
It was stupid for anyone buying "hedge fund", but Freddie Mac was retaining those loans and once the housing market started to fall apart, they were stuck with them. Then they were first in line for a bailout!
What do you think of a government sponsored bank giving out campain contributions? Is it a conflict of interest?
They donate millions to campaigns and then they get a bailout!
Weird...
They were.... to big to fail or more like you scratch my back, I'll scrach yours
TERM LIMITS!!!!!!!!!
BB, the near financial system collapse was mainly due to the smartest guys in the bathroom packaging up a bunch of crap assets, which may of included sub-prime loans, then getting Moodys to rate them AAA (they rated them as such because they couldn't understand them either) then selling crap packages to everyone, and everyone buying crap packages they couldn't understand because Moodys apparently understood them, else why would they rate them AAA?
"TERM LIMITS!!!!!!!!! "
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I may have to agree on that one. We limit the president, and that seems to work.
"TERM LIMITS!!!!!!!!! "
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But on second thought, term limits throws out the good, as well as the bad. What if Clinton was allowed to run for a few more terms? I think we would be living in a different world.
"BB, the near financial system collapse was mainly due to the smartest guys in the bathroom packaging up a bunch of crap assets"
-Reaper
How can you blame conservatives for the recession? It wasnt because they didnt want to regulate.
TERM LIMITS
Haven't you ever noticed that the longer a politician is in Washington D.C., the more out of touch with reality they get?
2 terms in the senate
2 terms in the house and
2 terms as president
That is plenty long enough!
"How can you blame conservatives for the recession? It wasnt because they didnt want to regulate. "
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JC, BB, de-regulation is in the GD con bible.
We didn't regulate the financial market, derivatives, blah, blah, blah?
"2 terms as president"
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What about Clinton?
What about Clinton?
Not all regulation is good! Liberals want over kill regulation. Conservatives want to keep regulation to a min.
Brandon, we may have to create a third and fourth term for Obama. They're doing that now for Michael Bloomberg as Mayor of New York. No one wants to let a good man get away.
If only Bill Clinton had continued on as president from 2001 through 2008, think of all the grief our country would have been saved.
We could have spent eight more years talking only about Monica Lewinsky.
Nope, term limits on everything in government!
BB, you think Clinton would of had a worse third term than W's? What did you hate about Clinton so much, the peace or the prosperity? Ahh you hated him for the blow job.
RayGun==Reaper.
"BB, you think Clinton would of had a worse third term than W's? What did you hate about Clinton so much, the peace or the prosperity? Ahh you hated him for the blow job."
-Reaper
None of the above! Clinton did an ok job. Nothing great just ok. Bush also did ok. Obama has done a poor job so far.
Yea you just forget it had nothing to do with his personal life. Clinton could of had Bin Laden handed over to him but declined. But just blame it on the cons as usual.
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