At a recent town hall in Raleigh, N.C., Obama ripped his detractors as follows:
“You hand me a $1.3 trillion bill, and then you’re complaining six months later because we haven’t paid it all back.” Last weekend, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and economic adviser Larry Summers flooded the TV talk shows with reminders that they had “inherited” a $1.3 trillion deficit and an economy “in free fall.”
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reminders that they had “inherited” a $1.3 trillion deficit and an economy “in free fall.”
...aaaaand promptly doubled the national debt, which has jumped from $5.8 trillion when Obama took office to its current $11.6 trillion, and is well on its way to surpass that, especially if the national healthcare plan passes.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2009/08/national_debt_cap_will_need_to.html?wprss=capitol-briefing
Meanwhile, the unemployment rate has gone from 7.6 in Jan to its current 9.4 (and significantly higher than that average in certain areas).
You cons are hilarious. 9/11 was Clintons fault even though it happened 10 months after W enters office. Now the near financial collapse is Obama's fault, 7 months after entering office.
JC where to you get your deficit numbers? Ahhh, Murdochs rag. Never mind.
On the day President Bush took office, the national debt stood at $5.727 trillion. The latest number from the Treasury Department shows the national debt now stands at more than $9.849 trillion. That’s a 71.9 percent increase on Mr. Bush’s watch.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/29/couricandco/entry4486228.shtml
Resorting to flat out lies again. The right wing rags and news are experts at that, so they think.
Sure, don't let facts get in your way.
Blame Bush.
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Nope, I blame the nuts who voted for Bush.
Anon states:
promptly doubled the national debt, which has jumped from $5.8 trillion when Obama took office to its current $11.6 trillion,
Reaper states:
On the day President Bush took office, the national debt stood at $5.727 trillion. The latest number from the Treasury Department shows the national debt now stands at more than $9.849 trillion. That’s a 71.9 percent increase on Mr. Bush’s watch.
Someone is lying or a little off with the facts. Sounds just like another con delusion to me.
Life must be so much simpler when you can selectively filter facts to suit your version of reality.
LOL!
Life must be so much simpler when you can selectively filter facts to suit your version of reality.
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I am saying when w left office the debt was at approx 9.9 trillion. You are saying when he left office it was 5.8 trillion?
No, I'm saying it was 5.8 when Bush TOOK office.
Oh, I see what threw you off. I typed Obama instead of Bush on my first post. My bad.
Bush was no conservative, that is for certain -- but of course you also have to factor in that Democrats controlled Congress from 2006 on. And that's when the debt dramatically climbed. Bush's fault? The fault of the people who voted for Bush? Not exactly.
By 2019 the debt is projected to be $23.2 trillion!
...aaaaand promptly doubled the national debt, which has jumped from $5.8 trillion when Obama took office to its current $11.6 trillion
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Sounds like you meant what you said, "promptly doubled the national debt". You trying the old faithful con tactic, just keep repeating it and it will become true.
The repetition (the faith) sounds like religion, which we know is a delusion. Right anon?
de·lu·sion (dĭ-lōō'zhən)
n.
3. Psychiatry A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, especially as a symptom of mental illness: delusions of persecution.
CJP, sound like some cons we know?
You guys would know ALL about false beliefs. Like the belief that what Obama is doing is, in any way, "cleaning up a mess." LOL!!!! You guys just aren't very bright.
And yes, the national debt IS double what it was when Bush took office -- AND Obama is on track to double THAT in the next 10 years.
What part of that do you not understand?
Just like when Bush the wiser left Clinton with a 400-500 billion dollar debt, and Clinton turned that into a surplus, Obama will turn W the dumbers left debt into a surplus also.
GD you guys hate reality, don't you?
Oh stop it you're making my eyes water LOLOLOLOL
Shouldn't you be off obfuscating your user manuals? Leave reality to the realists, and the leave the cons to their fiction.
Sarah, Sarah, Sarah. Cons do love their barbie doll and wish she was in office.
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ROFL
Sarah, Sarah, Sarah, you are my dream honey pot. Pretty, and dumb, and easy to confuse, and delusional.
Do we have to pray before we get to the good stuff?
"Do we have to pray before we get to the good stuff?"
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JC Anon, she is disgusting. Get a life.
Anon, you are both suited to each other. I wish you the best of luck.
baaaahaaaaa haaaaa, heeeeee, hooooo, gd cons are dumber than a box of rocks.
LMAO you're so clueless it's almost cute....almost.
LOLOLOL
But seriously, I am getting a little tired of your filthy mouth forming the syllables of my beloved Sarah.
You are delusional if you can't see her beauty, inside and out. She can kill as well as she loves. You're just jealous Reaper, because all the dems have is Hillary. So just Fk Off.
I am so sorry I am such a coward and can not use a name other than Anonymous. It's a long story.
LOL this other Anonymous is a riot too! Is that you Reaper?
LMAO
I can't tell who's who. GD.
LMAO Hey Reaper I can tell!
That gd Reaper, I can't stand his elitist gd snobbery. I hate smart people, what do they fking know? I ask you. I hate em. They know nothing about the real world. That's why I like Sarah and W so much, as they hate smart people too, and are proud to show it. Fk smart people. That's why I don't like Obama, cuz he's smart. Sarah, 2012. Can't wait.
Other Anon, you hate the elitist snob know it alls also, right? Fk them, the gd democrats think they are so fking smart. School does not make you smart. The world of hard knocks makes you smart. God Bless.
LOL!
You drunk, Reaper/Anonymous? You sound like it LMAO!
Im with you other Anon. Dems suck.
Other Anon, you sound pretty simple minded. Haven't you got anything to say but LOL etc?
Palin Palin Palin
LMAO
You are a simpleton, just like your honey Palin.
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"Now, the hate mail all seemed to have a running theme: that I may live in a stupid country, but they lived in the greatest country on earth, and that perhaps I should move to another country, like Somalia. Well, the joke's on them because I happen to have a summer home in Somalia... and no I can't show you an original copy of my birth certificate because Woody Harrelson spilled bong water on it."
"New Rule: Smart President ≠ Smart Country"
funnnnnyyyyy. Today he wrote this. I am ahead of my time
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-maher/new-rule-smart-president_b_253996.html
GD you cons are dumb.
LOL! Rink Boba!
You are a simpleton, just like your honey Palin.
BHHCCE,BHHCCE,BHHCCE
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My name is simple Anonymous.
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I am dumber than a stop sign.
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I like Brandon. I think he is cute. I am gay as you can tell. Although there is nothing wrong with that.
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Guys, I am going to be open with you all. I am a machinist, as some of you may know. What you may not know, is that I machine dildos. I am not particularly ashamed of that fact, as I have done worse. Much worse. Never mind.
Suffice it to say I am repenting and giving my life to Jesus. I am only telling you this as I hope you will join me. I know Reaper and CJP will never see the light, as they are reprobates, heathens, and have no hope for forgiveness. But you other cons, please, please, please, but down your political delusions, and take up my new delusion, Jesus. I feel you cons are all so close anyway, as you have been practicing all these years, in denial, in kidding yourself, in fantasies of all kinds, that this is just a small step for you. Please, quite wasting your time on the political delusions we spout without thought, and come join me in my new delusion. Amen.
Wow just like normal, you guys have no arguements so you resort to name calling. I would like to know who was the little bitch who posted the last comment and made it look like I did it.
"Just like when Bush the wiser left Clinton with a 400-500 billion dollar debt, and Clinton turned that into a surplus, Obama will turn W the dumbers left debt into a surplus also."
-Reaper
OPEN YOUR EYES! Clinton never had a surplus, that is a myth. If you borrow more money from SS, earn the same and spend the same. Are you not still in the same about of debt. You dems just call that a surplus. Idiots!
Too bad, Brandon. I thought that really was a legitimate comment from you. I thought you had a revelation and had finally seen the light.
"OPEN YOUR EYES! Clinton never had a surplus"
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According to the way they figure surpluses and deficits, Clinton had a surplus. The first in how many years?
So the 2 bushes left trillion dollar deficits instead of half trillion by your accounting? Do you see why the country does not have a chance with you cons around? Bush and Raygun had all the time in the world to cut government and balance the budget. They didn't even come close. Bush the wiser, being wise, saw that he could not cut any more government and would have to raise taxes. Clinton won the next election.
JC, you cons are something else. Why doesn't Obama just cut the military in half? Definite area we can save real money. It won't happen because the crazy cons will begin clammering about a strong defense (the ability to force their beliefs on others).
You cons can twist anything, especially reality.
According to the way they figure surpluses and deficits, Clinton had a surplus. The first in how many years?
-Reaper
Then how do they figure surpluses, most people think a surpluse is when you earn more than you spend.
"Then how do they figure surpluses, most people think a surpluse is when you earn more than you spend."
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Yes, the government took in more then they spent under Clinton's last few years. He slowly, progressively, whittled down the deficit given to him by Bush the wiser. Obama will do the same.
I say fk em. Run the deficits Obama, that's all the con nuts understand. The cons won't cut government programs and won't raise taxes, they just run deficits to pay for it all.
I say cut defense to keep deficits as low as possible. Don't even consider raises taxes until after next election (presidential). People, especially cons, hate reality. They think there's all this room to cut spending. If there is all this room, then why didn't Raygun, Bush the Wiser, and Bush the dumber do it? They ran the largest deficits of anyone in recent memory.
"Yes, the government took in more then they spent under Clinton's last few years. He slowly, progressively, whittled down the deficit given to him by Bush the wiser."
-Reaper
Dont you know there is a difference between a surplus and a deficit? A small deficit is not a surplus. Granted Clinton ran a small deficit, but he still never had any surplus. If you still stand by your claim that Clinton had a surplus, then explain to me how the national debt increased every year Clinton was in office.
National Debt:
1996 - $4,988,495,380,113.30
1997 - $5,317,016,511,039.02
1998 - $5,481,924,290,553.50
1999 - $5,606,630,290,821.39
2000 - $5,776,091,314,225.33
Source:
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/NPGateway
This is a cool website, it gives the national debt on any day to the penny.
CJP
Are you going to remove the comment that someone posted under my name on August 7, 2009 5:49 PM?
Interest? I don't know Brandon. What was W's deficit in his last few years? I know roughly, and interest debt is around 300 billion, I believe, so according to your site, year on year figures should be about 7-8 hundred billion for W's last years. Err, most of his years actually he ran massive deficits. Raygun had, relatively speaking, by far the largest deficits of anyone, ever, in recorded history.
Are you religious now Brandon?
I agree with you that the deficits are out of control. A true conservative would cut everything including military until there was a surplus. I would even be happy with higher taxes as a short term fix to remove the national debt. I dont agree with higher taxes simply to create more worthless programs and spend more on swine oder research. We need to get our nations spending under control. As you said we have to pay interest on our debt and that is going to kill out economy in the long run.
Brandon, McCaine tried using the same argument about pork, whatever you want to call it, against Obama. He was shot down, again, when Obama said so called total pork amounts to about 18 billion per year. And that's assuming all pork projects are bs. There has to be a few keepers in there, so the sum is less than 18 billion, and that's con chicken feed.
Did you know that Osama Bin NutCake said the reason he orchestrated 9/11, was to bankrupt the US? Just like he bankrupted the USSR in Afghanistan. Do you understand what is happening here?
Obama will cut the deficit by raising taxes on the greedy, and cutting defense.
Brandon, buy gold. The cons have ruined us. There is no turning back.
"Obama will cut the deficit by raising taxes on the greedy, and cutting defense."
-Reaper
Why does it always happend to be the "greedy" that get the taxes raised on them? What about the successful and giving?
As for the pork, why dont we cut it out since we both seem to agree there is some amount of B.S. in the stimulus package? $18 billion dollars a year is alot of money!
Read the article, no one feels sorry for the rich. Look at Warren Buffett and Bill Gates (I live about 11 miles from Gates and the evil empire Microsoft. Most of my neighbors work at MS.) I am sure both do not mind paying higher taxes. Why do I have to pay for the zealots kids school, like Palins? I don't have kids and I know 50 percent of my property tax, plus how much of my other taxes, is going to paying for others kids?
In the context of a 600 billion dollar defense budget, 18 billion is nothing. Gd Brandon, all anyone is talking about is health care. Not welfare, which Clinton reformed, only health care, which we end up paying for the poor anyway. What is the admin costs of insurance company health care? 300-400 billion per year. Lets get some reality into our lives.
"Read the article, no one feels sorry for the rich. Look at Warren Buffett and Bill Gates"
-Reaper
Have you ever heard of the Bill and Malinda Gates foundation? Total grant commitments since inception: $20.1 billion as of march 31st 2009. Could you imagine how much more they could contibute with out paying so much in taxes?
Total grant commitments since inception: $20.1 billion as of march 31st 2009
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GD Brandon, Buffet pays 15 percent taxes. What, he should pay less taxes so he can have another luxury yacht? So he and the other ultra rich can have another set of 10k shower curtains? They don't care about taxes Brandon, except for the status of having a large net worth number stuck next to their name.
What about the guy who gets paid to build that yacht?
"Buffet pays 15 percent taxes"
-Reaper
15 percent and then some! The top income tax bracket was lowered to 35% under Bush. Could you imagine paying 35% of your income in federal income taxes?
Warren Buffet has all sorts of tax shelters, accountants, etc., who apply the law to reduce his actual taxes to 15%.
Buffet himself said that he is in a much lower tax bracket than his own secretary.
Unfortunately, most Conservatives are total assholes who don't have a fingernail's worth of intelligence, and don't think the way Warren Buffet does.
Buffet is a financial genius. He knows what has to be done to keep the Golden Goose alive. Most Conservatives are blind, deaf and dumb, short-sighted pinheads who spend their every waking moment Killing the Golden Goose and wrecking the American economy.
35% is not a high tax bracket. Conservatives don't want to pay any taxes. They want to watch the US economy die.
"35% is not a high tax bracket. Conservatives don't want to pay any taxes. They want to watch the US economy die."
-CJP
How is lower taxes going to hurt the economy? More money in my pocket and cheaper goods, thats a good thing!
"Unfortunately, most Conservatives are total assholes who don't have a fingernail's worth of intelligence, and don't think the way Warren Buffet does."
-CJP
Do you have any proof or just another useless rant?
"Unfortunately, most Liberals are total assholes who don't have a fingernail's worth of intelligence, and dont think the way Dave Ramsey does"
-Brandon
See its really easy!
"Warren Buffet has all sorts of tax shelters, accountants, etc., who apply the law to reduce his actual taxes to 15%. "
-CJP
Warren Buffet stated he doesnt have an accountant or tax shelters. So how does he get a 17% tax rate?
"FAIR TAX"
"Wealthy Paying Higher Taxes Patriotic Thing To Do"
-Joe Biden
Maybe the unemployed should get a job and stop being a drain on society and start paying taxes.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/search-results/m/22070302/trump-ny-s-wealthy-will-follow-limbaugh.htm
At some point, the wealthy will start looking at other countries to move to.
Yeah, the airports are over-run with wealthy people moving out of America. No wonder all overseas flights are over-booked.
"At some point!"
Why not increase taxes on the wealth to 95% and have everyone else pay no taxes?
Conservatives want less taxes and liberals want more taxes. Where do you liberals say enough is enough. What percent of our income needs to go into taxes?
"How is lower taxes going to hurt the economy? More money in my pocket and cheaper goods, thats a good thing!"
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Brandon, let's lower taxes to 2 percent. Oh the coffers will just over flow from all the new spending.
Brandon, W tried lowering taxes, especially to the rich, and he ran up 5 trillion in new debt (ask evil anon).
Obama, fk the cons and lower taxes (which he did for 95 percent of all Americans) and just borrow.
Obama, fk the cons and increase the military spending, just borrow money to pay for it.
Obama, fk the cons and just give everyone national health care, except the ones that love their benevolent insurance companies, and pay for it by borrowing money.
Just fk the cons, they don't get it.
Obama will bring the country back to a balanced budget, then the stupid electorate will just vote in another con, maybe even a super con, like Palin. God help us all.
In a parody of the super nut Palin's famous words, Borrow baby Borrow.
"At some point, the wealthy will start looking at other countries to move to. "
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What country are they going to move to? What are the rates there? I don't read Limbauch.
"Why not increase taxes on the wealth to 95% and have everyone else pay no taxes? "
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Brandon, There you go again. Everyone pays state sales tax. Everyone pays state income tax (if the state has one). Everyone pays FICA. Everyone pays Social Security tax. Pretty sure, it's the Palins with their GD 12 kids, and lots of federal tax deductions that pay 0 fed income tax. Why do you cons hate freedom so much? Why do I have to pay for your Gods kids?
I am not the only one obsessed with GD Palin. She's all over NY Times, CNN, Huffington Post and others, in recent days.
You know, in a perverse way, I wish Palin would of made it to the presidency (after McCaine meeting an early demise. Sorry John, but the cons never really liked you anyway). Then let her run the country into the GD ground with Rayguns and W's voodoo economics. Then after the total economic collapse, we would be done listening and rationalizing with the nutty cons.
Oh, double GD. One problem with that scenario. The cons are expert blamers. And with Palin in office, the witch trials would begin, because she would know, that it was Gods punishment. You just can't rationalize with delusional people.
"Oh, double GD. One problem with that scenario. The cons are expert blamers."
-Reaper
Maybe you have already forgotten the blame Bush era! You just can't rationalize with delusional people.
"We inherited everything thats bad!"
-Obama
"...it's the Palins with their GD 12 kids, and lots of federal tax deductions that pay 0 fed income tax."
-Reaper
If Palin makes $2 million in 2009 and deducts 10 kids, she would still have to pay $399,363 in income tax. Plus SS, sales tax and all the other stupid taxes you listed off. When was the last time you paid $399,363+ in taxes?
"What country are they going to move to? What are the rates there? I don't read Limbauch."
-Reaper
Maybe you over looked that, "At some point" part of my comment. If we continue to raise taxes, at some point other countries will start looking better. When will you nut job democrats have enough tax revenues?
Im with ye Brandon. Fk taxes, borrow money.
"When was the last time you paid $399,363+ in taxes?"
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Oh gd, you are such a child. We all are children ... in the game ... in the question, in the quest for the answer of ...
Life.
"Im with ye Brandon. Fk taxes, borrow money."
-Reaper
I am not against paying taxes. I am against some people paying larger percentages of their income in taxes than others.
Lets have a small federal sales tax to handle some of the things like the military and boarder sercurity. Lets have another tax at the state and local levels for things like schools and road work. Get rid of SS, medicare, medicaid, new jets for the pentagon, white house parties, cell phones for the poor, free housing for the poor illegal aliens getting U.S. citizens benifits and much much more!
Give the power back to the people and keep the taxes local! Reaper, you have a vote on property taxes. Do I have a vote on Obamacare? I would be open to a health care program that was only in the state. That way if I dont like it I could more to Oregon or Idaho. Why do you hate freedom?
"Oh gd, you are such a child. We all are children ... in the game ... in the question, in the quest for the answer of ...
Life"
-Reaper
Was that you stepping on your tongue?
Oh dear God. Brandon, buddy, don't ye understand how ye are entangled in a version of the cowardly cons mantra of truth?
Oh Gd, dear Brandon, how i wish ye read more... How I wish you read the great authors words... Where do I start...?
Brandon, have you read "Atlas Shrugged"?
"Brandon, have you read "Atlas Shrugged"?"
-Reaper
No, buy my girlfriend has read it. She said it was a pretty good book. I understand what your implying with that book.
Maybe you should read "The Richest Man in Babylon"? Its short and a great read. It will fill you in on how you dont need the government to control your life, so you can become wealthy.
"Atlas Shrugged"
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Dear Brandon, ..., where do I begin???
Ok, that book, 1000 pages plus, I read it all (ask your girlfriend if she read it all ((if she answers yes, then you have lots to worry about ...))), and it truly sucked as a work of literature. Greenspan (Alan Greenspan), and Anne Rand (author, "Atlas Shrugged"), were Manhattan buddies.
Do you have the foggiest clue what I am talking about??? Go look it up. They both admit they were wrong.
Wrong about everything.
Have you read "Anthem"? She did read it all and she still says it was good.
My girlfriend said its "Ayn Rand" not "Anne Rand" and she read it when she was 13yrs old for an english assignment.
"Maybe you should read "The Richest Man in Babylon"? Its short and a great read. It will fill you in on how you dont need the government to control your life, so you can become wealthy."
"the government to control your life"
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The cons, are using government health care, something every other industrialized nation in the world has, and equating it with socialism.
Don't you feel used? They are manipulating you. They are trying to frighten you. CJP is correct, the cons are terrorists.
ter⋅ror⋅ist
2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.
You cons are like a bunch of little frightened girls. The cowardly cons. Hey, that last line sounds catchy.
"The Cowardly Cons". I like that, Reaper. You may find that I might be using it -- with Author's Permission from you, of course.
Feel free. Spread the word. The truth will set you free, but as we know the cons hate freedom.
"2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others."
-Reaper
That sounds famaliar: "If we dont pass the stimulus, the country will crash","If we dont pass health care, the country will fall apart" and "If we dont pass cap and trade, the world will end"
Democrats are the real terrorists! Never letting a good scare tactic go to waste.
The recession is the democrats 9/11, look at the crap that came out of the patriot act. It is the same thing, a few years from now you will look back and realize how stupid your being today.
"If we dont pass the stimulus, the country will crash"
Gd it is truly amazing what experts the cons are on all things regarding money. OOOps, cept the last 8 years proved they were wrong about everything.
"If we dont pass cap and trade, the world will end"
I don't know much about climate, as it's pretty complicated. So I leave it to the experts to sort it out for me. And the experts, 99 out of 100, or is it 99.9 out of 100, say climate change is occurring and is caused by man. Only an idiot would argue with them.
"a few years from now you will look back and realize how stupid your being today"
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Thanks Brandon for the compliment. Because, as we all know, the cons are wrong about absolutely everything, so your stupid must actually be the opposite.
You guys are great truth detectors, as in whatever you say and do, I just say or do the opposite, and I know I will be right.
Brandon, where do you think the stock market is heading? What are your thoughts on buying gold?
"Brandon, where do you think the stock market is heading? What are your thoughts on buying gold?"
-Reaper
The stock market is heading up, it will probably go back down in the near future. The stock market would probably be in almost the same spot without the stimulus package and we wouldnt owe trillions of dollars. Bush has had his own stimulus package in place for almost 8yrs. Its called War! Whats the difference? Government spending is still government spending? Why didnt the war prevent this recession?
Gold is a terrible investment and I would never tie my money up in it. Its only a mineral, with no real world value! Oh, except maybe for use in computers. What are you going to do when scientists figure out how to recreate gold and it become worthless or the economy collapses. Are you going to buy things with your gold?
"Gold is a terrible investment"
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Thanks buddy, I owe you.
Here is chart that shows gold values over the last 40yrs adjusted for inflation. Buy land and mutual funds!
http://img15.imageshack.us/i/goldadjustedforinflatiopf6.jpg/#q=gold value inflation
Bush, Obama, who cares? Our debt is out of control which is why we can't add to it with national healt care!!
So says you, Anon. You couldn't be wronger.
"Bush, Obama, who cares? Our debt is out of control which is why we can't add to it with national healt care!!"
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Don't worry Anon, Obama will fix the deficit, just like Clinton fixed the deficit which both stemmed from Bushes. Gd and Jeb is still out there. God save us all.
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