The mindless stupidity of Conservatives is that they get hung up on whether or not Hasan is labeled a "terrorist", when in fact he has been labeled a "murderer" and has now been charged with 13 separate counts of premeditated murder, each one of which carries the death penalty.
That's why liberals consider Conservatives to be a bunch of bleating sheep who are so easily manipulated by their Right-Wing media puppeteers.
What practical difference does it make whether or not Hasan is labeled a "terrorist"? Why are Conservatives so angry and upset by whether or not that particular word is applied to him?
There are many other, more accurate words which have been applied to Hasan -- all of which carry the death penalty.
It's sickening to watch Conservatives react like Pavlovian dogs to the fact that he has not been labeled a "terrorist", when applying that word is totally irrelevant to the final result in this case.
The definition of a "terrorist", according to the Random House Dictionary, is: "The use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes."
That is what Al Quaida does, so effectively, -- "intimidate or coerce, for political purposes" --which is why it is rightly called a terrorist organization.
However, even though Hasan shot and killed 13 people, and wounded many more, under this definition, he was not a "terrorist" because he was not trying to intimidate people or change their behavior.
Aside from the semantics, I ask once again, what practical difference does it make whether Hasan is charged with 13 counts of first degree murder as a "terrorist" or as a "murderer"?
The only practical difference I can see is that, when his case comes to trial, it will be a lot easier to prove that Hasan is a murderer rather than a terrorist, making his conviction that much easier.
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"What practical difference does it make whether or not Hasan is labeled a "terrorist"? Why are Conservatives so angry and upset as to whether or not that particular word is applied to him?"
I don't think anyones upset. It's actually funny the way libs rationalize the situation. I think the libs are upset that Obama has had his first terrorist attack on American soil. Don't feel bad CJP. We don't blame him for this. We blame al queda.
"What is the issue here? The virgins are waiting for Hasan in Heaven now, regardless of whether he is called a "terrorist" by Conservatives, or a murderer by liberals."
I guess the issue is that for some reason liberals can't see that political correctness made people ignore the signs. These terrorists are patient and they have no problem infultrating us slowly. Liberals want to ignore this while others want this information out there. I just can't understand why liberals want to supress this type of information.
Oh, I get it. HOTR. I see your point. If you can establish that Hasan was a terrorist, then you can claim that "Obama has had his first terrorist attack on American soil".
Bravo! Brilliant. Well done. What a mind leap.
But, HOTR, what about that fellow who killed 23 people at a Luby's Cafeteria in Texas in 2007? Was that a terrorist attack? Are you saying that Bush allowed the USA to suffer a second terrorist attack -- in 2007 -- which everyone was unaware of, including the liberals?
And, what about John Muhammad (who was just put our of his misery this week), and his highway killing spree of 2002 which claimed the lives of ten innocent people? Was that yet a third terrorist attack on US soil under Bush?
(In fact, what Muhammad did in 2002 fits the classic definition of "terrorism" far more accurately than what Hasan did at Fort Hood last week, based on the information we have so far).
However, HOTR, on behalf of liberals everywhere, allow me to be the first to thank you for helping to identify two more acts of domestic terrorism on US soil for which we had thus far failed to give Bush his full share of credit.
I don't think the signs were ignored because of "political correctness".
Just read the Internet, HOTR. Look at all the insane, lunatic things that people are posting.
Does that mean they all need to be arrested because they are all potential murderers?
I don't think liberals want to "ignore the signs" or "suppress information".
On the contrary, this administration and its law enforcement agencies are now studying Hasan's case history very closely to see what kind of warning signs they may have missed and to try to prevent such a horror from ever happening again.
"However, HOTR, on behalf of liberals everywhere, allow me to be the first to thank you for helping to identify two more acts of domestic terrorism on US soil for which we had thus far failed to give Bush his full share of credit."
You're very welcome. I'm surprised that up until now you didn't think those were terrorists acts. Of course they were. The difference is that these people did not have contact with muslim extremists. At least I've never heard about it. Have you? If you did then please share.
"I don't think the signs were ignored because of "political correctness"."
Officials knew he had contact with al queda and extreme muslims. He said openly that he served muslim extremists before the constitution yet nothing was even investigated. Why do you think that?
Hasan had contact with an Imam who was a supporter and advocate for Al Quaida, but apparently is not himself a member of Al Quaida.
Nothing so far shows that he had any direct contact with Al Quaida. Aside from this Imam, who was Hasan's contact in Al Quaida?
As for contact with "extreme Muslims", Hasan was very much a Muslim extremist himself.
Hasan had contact with an Imam who was a supporter and advocate for Al Quaida, but apparently is not himself a member of Al Quaida.
Nothing so far shows that he had any direct contact with Al Quaida. Aside from this Imam, who was Hasan's contact in Al Quaida?
CJP avoiding the question again. Why did they ignore his ties to al queda? Simple question.
"Nothing so far shows that he had any direct contact with Al Quaida. Aside from this Imam, who was Hasan's contact in Al Quaida?"
??? He sent them money.
CJP, try this question. If we find someone else who has contact with al q, should we ignore them as well?
He sent "them" money?
We know he sent money. We don't know how much he sent, or to whom he sent it.
Unless you know something that no one else knows, HOTR.
Of course, we should not ignore it if we find that someone else has had contact with Al Quaida. We should act on it immediately.
But, as I asked you before, HOTR, aside from the Imam (who apparently was not a member of Al Quaida), who was Hasan's contact in Al Quaida?
"We know he sent money. We don't know how much he sent, or to whom he sent it."
Wow. Maybe the next terrorist should have a terrorist ID card. This is a classic case of NOT connecting the dots.
Hey cons, maybe we should start another war over your new terrorist act?
In 2004, Bagdikian's revised and expanded book, The New Media Monopoly, shows that only 5 huge corporations -- Time Warner, Disney, Murdoch's News Corporation, Bertelsmann of Germany, and Viacom (formerly CBS) -- now control most of the media industry in the U.S. General Electric's NBC is a close sixth.
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GD, there used to be laws about media monopoly, apparently not anymore.
And that's what Conservatives call their "freedom of speech".
No wonder America has been dumbed down so badly.
"Hey cons, maybe we should start another war over your new terrorist act?"
I don't even know how to reply to this stupidity. RG it's amazing how you just want to see your comments so bad that you'll put any stupid crap up. Shit that only you can understand.
And now it seems obvious why the invasion of Iraq was not questioned more by the press.
"In 2004, Bagdikian's revised and expanded book, The New Media Monopoly, shows that only 5 huge corporations -- Time Warner, Disney, Murdoch's News Corporation, Bertelsmann of Germany, and Viacom (formerly CBS) -- now control most of the media industry in the U.S. General Electric's NBC is a close sixth."
dam RG your obsession with Fox is amazing. Is there a reason that you read books about OReilly and watch Fox so much. Is that the only channel you have. It is so funny the way you abuse yourself that way. lol.
HOTR, you cons certainly seem to like war. Well, like wars that others fight. That's why cons are known as Chicken Hawks.
"HOTR, you cons certainly seem to like war. Well, like wars that others fight. That's why cons are known as Chicken Hawks."
Please give us more of the great RG witt. Please continue to use the great freedom of speech you have been given in this great country.
The books were not just about Olielly alone. It was about the whole lying right wing. One title is "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them, A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right".
I just wish cons read more than the Bible and history books.
RayGun said...
And now it seems obvious why the invasion of Iraq was not questioned more by the press.
Is this meant to be a joke. The press killed Bush on this and continue to do so. Don't be mad that other news has taken place and the press just can't focus on this as much any more. Stop watching fox and go google bush and iraq. You'll have all the questions revealed to you. I know, you just can't get off the Fox channel. You're probably watching it now. lol
"I just wish cons read more than the Bible and history books."
Another cut and paste line from RG. Great job RG. I guess it's easier than actually thinking a little.
Lets add that great line.
blah.......blah.......blah.......blah.....The right wing nuts are the ones telling everyone what to do. Not only telling, but yelling. Of course you cons just call it morals, your version of course, and we all know your version is the correct version.
blah....blah....blah.......
I just wish cons read more than the Bible and history books.
Hey crazy cons, you read all of the rodeo clowns diatribes, are you breathlessly awaiting dear Sarah's book? Why are all your leaders so GD dumb?
JC, Al Franken is a Senator, not a Congressman, I misspoke. Excuse me.
blah.......blah.......blah.......blah.....The right wing nuts are the ones telling everyone what to do. Not only telling, but yelling. Of course you cons just call it morals, your version of course, and we all know your version is the correct version.
blah....blah....blah.......
I just wish cons read more than the Bible and history books.
"Hey crazy cons, you read all of the rodeo clowns diatribes, are you breathlessly awaiting dear Sarah's book? Why are all your leaders so GD dumb?"
blah.....blah.....blah......Sarah Palin suck!!
I love how Sarah Palin's free speech drives the libs nuts. LOL
Feel free to jump in with a good point RG.
"I love how Sarah Palin's free speech drives the libs nuts. LOL"
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I can't believe you cons voted for the worst president in the history of the nation, twice, and now want to double down with someone even stupider. Do you all have a national death wish? You almost finished off the US with w, but that wasn't good enough and now you want Palin?
blah.......blah.......blah.......blah.....The right wing nuts are the ones telling everyone what to do. Not only telling, but yelling. Of course you cons just call it morals, your version of course, and we all know your version is the correct version.
blah....blah....blah.......
I just wish cons read more than the Bible and history books.
"Hey crazy cons, you read all of the rodeo clowns diatribes, are you breathlessly awaiting dear Sarah's book? Why are all your leaders so GD dumb?"
blah.....blah.....blah......Sarah Palin suck!!
RG has no points to make today.
The reason it is important to determine whether Hasan was a terrorist or just a troubled individual is how we respond to this and what we do to prevent it from happening again if we can. If hasan is just another criminal or troubled individual, then that is a matter for law enforcement, mental health professionals and the army medical/mental health staffr to examine responses. If he is truly a terrorist, then that is a whole other set of actions to try and respond. Why are liberals so afraid of calling it "like it is" if he is a terrorist. Could it be the anti-american bent of current liberalism that includes anti-christian pro every other religion bias liberals have? We are so terrified of offending muslims by calling him a terrorist, but if he is, I don't think it has anythign to do with his religion it has to do with the fact he was a militant radical. Conservatives are not angry and upset about this, just frustrated that liberals are so screwed up and are screwing up what once was a great country and soon to be a third world communist county if we remain on this path for long.
Conservativeandproudofit, I think the good side (the progressives) is only a little concerned with cons labeling Hasan as a terrorist, then saying see, the Democrats are weak on terrorism. Or although w was a bumbling idiot, at least he kept us safe.
Are you trying the same tactic of scaring the soccer moms and dads so as to vote another incompetent into the white house? Haven't you cons done enough damage by voting for w twice, to last a life time? Five trillion in new debt, a near financial collapse, 2 wars, 200 thousand dead, what is enough for you guys?
It's not my fault, it's not my fault. The swan song of the right.
By the way, I am an equal opportunity anti religious nut.
"Five trillion in new debt"
Yes, RacistGun, lets all thank Obama for that!! Thanks Obama!!
"The reason it is important to determine whether Hasan was a terrorist or just a troubled individual is how we respond to this and what we do to prevent it from happening again, if we can. If Hasan is just another criminal or troubled individual, then that is a matter for law enforcement, mental health professionals and the army medical/mental health staffr to examine responses. If he is truly a terrorist, then that is a whole other set of actions to try and respond."
Conservativeandproudofit, you have a very strange name.
I can understand your being Conservative. But -- being "proud of it"? That completely baffles me. How could you possibly be "proud of it"? We refer to "it" as the "C Word".
Nevertheless, the statement you made above, which I have quoted, is one of the most intelligent things I have ever heard from a Conservative. I congratulate you. I didn't think a Conservative was capable of such accurate thought processes. My hat is off to you.
You actually went so far as to say that "it is important to determine whether Hasan was a terrorist or just a troubled individual". I'm totally stunned. How could a Conservative have come up with such an intelligent insight?
Unfortunately -- then you go on to spoil the whole thing. (You're a Conservative, so I know you can't help yourself). You go on to say: "Why are liberals so afraid of calling it "like it is", if he is a terrorist"?
So, in your first breath, you say that it has not yet been determined whether Hasan "was a terrorist or just a troubled individual" -- and in your second breath you say that liberals are "so afraid" of calling him a terrorist. Do those two statements make any sense to you?
What I'd like to know is why Conservatives can't take two breaths without losing all of their common sense?
CJP
Good job CJP.
"Conservativeandproudofit, you have a very strange name."
I don't know CJRacist, I like the name. Liberals try and mask the fact that they're liberal. Obama on the campaign trail is the perfect example.
RacistGun???
When did RayGun turn "Racist"? Who knew? Nobody ever tells me Nothin'.
Is that because he likes Gold so much?
Does this mean that RacistGun favors Yellows over Whites and Blacks?
RacistGun, I'm so ashamed of you. How could you possibly do this to us?
Maybe you should be with Obama on his current trip to the Orient. Shaking hands with, and bowing to, all those Yellows, etc.
If you do go there, RG -- please bring back a little gold for the rest of us.
And, if you find some nuggets that pay dividends of 4% a year --- that would be OK, too.
CJP
LOL, the 4 percent nugget dividend would make BB happy, I think.
Thank you, Ray Gun.
You JC CJP, you said yellow. Oh here we go again.
CJRacist let's all forget the uncivilized south bronx reference. Who were you talking about. I lived there and there weren't too many white people there. A true racist doesn't even think he is a racist. The say what comes natural to them.
So, HOTR, now I'm CJ Racist, too? What did I ever say to deserve this honor? How did I qualify for this exclusive club?
"Liberals try and mask the fact that they're liberal"?
Where did you ever see any such "masking" on this site?
"She tries to compare herself to Ronald Reagan, by repeatedly invoking his name and record. She talks about being “a Commonsense Conservative” and worrying about the national deficit."
Woooohoooo, the NYTimes is tearing her a new asshole. And the books not even out.
CJP said...
So, HOTR, now I'm CJ Racist, too? What did I ever say to deserve this honor? How did I qualify for this exclusive club?
Read your own comments asshole. Why would you want an uncivilized hispanic from the south bronx put words in your mouth.
"She says she “never sought to ban any books” as mayor of Wasilla, and in fact has always had a “special passion for reading.”"
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We know she's lying now, as we know cons don't like to read. Ooops, except the Bible and history books. You heard that here today first. I scooped the NYTimes. GD.
blah.......blah.......blah.......blah.....The right wing nuts are the ones telling everyone what to do. Not only telling, but yelling. Of course you cons just call it morals, your version of course, and we all know your version is the correct version.
blah....blah....blah.......
I just wish cons read more than the Bible and history books.
"Hey crazy cons, you read all of the rodeo clowns diatribes, are you breathlessly awaiting dear Sarah's book? Why are all your leaders so GD dumb?"
blah.....blah.....blah......Sarah Palin suck!!
Let's add I am a racist to RacistGuns cut and paste.
Yup, I am a racist. I hates them yeller cons. Wish theyd quite breeding so god derned much. Aman.
UH OH, I feel a new HOTR rant coming on.
Casey, please don't tell us your race. Thanks.
RayGun said...
Yup, I am a racist.
I applaud your honesty. CJRacist is a coward and would never admit it.
Hey, didn't HOTR say, "I thought all you white people were so smart"? I think that's down right racist.
RayGun said...
Hey, didn't HOTR say, "I thought all you white people were so smart"? I think that's down right racist.
The brilliance of a racist.
Comon CJP, admit you don't like cons that much either, and think they should quit breeding so much.
RayGun said...
Comon CJP, admit you don't like cons that much either, and think they should quit breeding so much.
Your wit is amazing. You may be right. How can a hispanic like me not have any guns?
RayGun said...
UH OH, I feel a new HOTR rant coming on.
Why? Are you going to say more racist comments?
RayGun said...
UH OH, I feel a new HOTR rant coming on.
Why? Are you going to say more racist comments?
Maybe since I'm hispanic I should just stay shut and let you say whatever you want.
Don't yell at me again, yell at CJP, because he said yellow.
JFC HOTR the fucking world does not revolve around your silly little self (by little I did not mean to imply that Hispanics are in any way ever little, it's just a figure of speach). There is more than one stupid (not because you are Hispanic, but because you are a con) con in the world, although you may be the stupidest. :-)
RayGun said...
Don't yell at me again, yell at CJP, because he said yellow.
I LOVE YELLING AT RACISTS!!!!
RayGun said...
JFC HOTR the fucking world does not revolve around your silly little self
Yes, I should just shut up and take it. Let me thank you and behave of all hispanics with guns for allowing me to live in your world. Idiot.
YES CJP, HOW DARE YOU SAY YELLOW.
WE KNOW CONS ARE YELLOW, CHICKEN HAWK YELLOW, BUT YOU BEST COUCH YOUR WORDS A LITTLE BETTER FROM NOW ON. THANK YOU.
RayGun said...
YES CJP, HOW DARE YOU SAY YELLOW.
WE KNOW CONS ARE YELLOW, CHICKEN HAWK YELLOW, BUT YOU BEST COUCH YOUR WORDS A LITTLE BETTER FROM NOW ON. THANK YOU.
Yes, I just better. I'll keep quiet the next time you insult me with your racism. ASSSSSSHOLLLLLEE!!!
You moron, I told you I own 8 guns. GD you are dumb.
RayGun said...
You moron, I told you I own 8 guns. GD you are dumb.
uuuhhhh....good for you. ASSSSSHOOOOLLLE!!!
RayGun said...
You moron, I told you I own 8 guns. GD you are dumb.
I can't figure out what this stupid ass comment means. Are you going to shoot some lowly hispanic?
That's true, HOTR. Obama does seem to be masking the fact that he's liberal. Fortunately, I don't have that problem myself.
RayGun:
I said you like Yellow because you like Gold. HOTR is the one who called you "RacistGun".
The only "Racist" thing I've ever seen you say is that you like Yellow Gold.
I guess you can't even like Gold anymore without being called a Racist.
CJP
My girl friend lives in The Bronx, HOTR, so it's not as bad as all that.
60% Want Fort Hood Shooting Investigated as Terrorist Act
27% want the incident investigated by civilian authorities as a criminal act.
source:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/november_2009/60_want_fort_hood_shooting_investigated_as_terrorist_act
It's probably going to be investigated by the military authorities under whose auspices it happened.
The military will decide, based on all the facts they can ascertain, whether it qualifies as a terrorist act or as the act of one deranged loner. We don't know enough to make that determination yet. Let's give the authorities time to do their full investigation.
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