The Pit Bull in the China Shop
By FRANK RICH
The New York Times -- November 21, 2009
AT last the American right and left have one issue they unequivocally agree on: You don’t actually have to read Sarah Palin’s book to have an opinion about it. Last Sunday Liz Cheney praised “Going Rogue” as “well-written” on Fox News even though, by her own account, she had sampled only “parts” of it. On Tuesday, Ana Marie Cox, a correspondent for Air America, belittled the book in The Washington Post while confessing that she couldn’t claim to have “completely” read it.
“Going Rogue” will hardly be the first best seller embraced by millions for talismanic rather than literary ends. And I am not recommending that others follow my example and slog through its 400-plus pages, especially since its supposed revelations have been picked through 24/7 for a week. But sometimes I wonder if anyone has read all of what Palin would call the “dang” thing. Some of the book’s most illuminating tics have been mentioned barely — if at all — by either its fans or foes. Palin is far and away the most important brand in American politics after Barack Obama, and attention must be paid. Those who wishfully think her 15 minutes are up are deluding themselves.
The book’s biggest surprise is Palin’s wide-eyed infatuation with show-business celebrities. You get nearly as much face time with Tina Fey and the cast of “Saturday Night Live” in “Going Rogue” as you do with John McCain. We learn how happy Palin was to receive calls from Bono and Warren Beatty “to share ideas and insights.” We wade through star-struck lists of campaign cameos by Robert Duvall, Jon Voight (who “blew us away”), Naomi Judd, Gary Sinise and Kelsey Grammer, among many others. Then there are the acknowledgments at the book’s end, where Palin reveals that her intimacy with media stars is such that she can air-kiss them on a first-name basis, from Greta to Laura to Rush.
Equally revealing is the one boldfaced name conspicuously left unmentioned in the book: Levi Johnston, the father of Palin’s grandchild. Though Palin and McCain milked him for photo ops at the Republican convention, he is persona non grata now that he’s taking off his campaign wardrobe. Is Johnston’s fledgling porn career the problem, or is it his public threats to strip bare Palin family secrets as well? “She knows what I got on her” is how he put it. In Palin’s interview with Oprah last week, it was questioning about Johnston, not Katie Couric, that made her nervous.
The book’s most frequently dropped names, predictably enough, are the Lord and Ronald Reagan (though not necessarily in that order). Easily the most startling passage in “Going Rogue,” running more than two pages, collates extended excerpts from a prayerful letter Palin wrote to mark the birth of Trig, her child with Down syndrome. This missive’s understandable goal was to reassert Palin’s faith and trust in God. But Palin did not write her letter to God; she wrote the letter from God, assuming His role and voice herself and signing it “Trig’s Creator, Your Heavenly Father.” If I may say so — Oy!
Even by the standard of politicians, this is a woman with an outsized ego. Combine that with her performance skills and an insatiable hunger for the limelight, and you can see why she will not stay in Wasilla now that she’s seen 30 Rock. The question journalists repeatedly asked last week — What are Palin’s plans for 2012? — is a red herring. Palin has no obligation to answer it. She is the pit bull in the china shop of American politics, and she can do what she wants, on her own timeline, all the while raking in the big bucks she couldn’t as a sitting governor. No one, least of all her own political party, can control her.
The fact-checking siege of “Going Rogue” — by the media, Democrats and aggrieved McCain campaign operatives alike — is another fruitless sideshow. Palin’s political appeal has never had anything to do with facts — or coherent policy positions. The more she is attacked for not being in possession of pointy-headed erudition, the more powerful she becomes as an avatar of the anti-elite cause. As Rich Lowry, the editor of National Review, has correctly observed, “She represents less a philosophical strain on the right than an affect and a demographic.”
That demographic is white and non-urban: Just look at the stops and the faces on her carefully calibrated book tour. The affect is emotional — the angry air of grievance that emerged first at her campaign rallies in 2008, with their shrieked threats to Obama, and that has since resurfaced in the Hitler-fixated “tea party” movement (which she endorses in her book). It’s a politics of victimization and sloganeering with no policy solutions required beyond the conservative mantra of No Taxes. Its standard-bearer can make stuff up with impunity: “Thanks, but no thanks on that bridge to nowhere”; Obama’s “palling around with terrorists”; health care “death panels.”
After the Palin-McCain ticket lost, conservative pundits admonished her to start studying the issues. If “Going Rogue” and its promotional interviews are any indication, she has ignored their entreaties during her months at liberty. Last week, Greta Van Susteren chastised Oprah for not asking Palin “one policy question,” but when Barbara Walters did ask some, Palin either recycled Dick Cheney verbatim (Obama is “dithering”) or ran aground. Her argument for why “Jewish settlements” should be expanded on the West Bank was that “more and more Jewish people will be flocking to Israel in the days and weeks and months ahead.” It was unclear what she was talking about — unless it was the “rapture” theology that requires the mass return of Jews to settle the Holy Land as a precondition for the return of Christ.
The discredited neocon hacks who have latched on to Palin as a potential ticket back into power have their work cut out for them. But it’s better for Palin’s purposes to remain as blank a slate as possible anyway. Some of her most ardent supporters realize that she’ll drive still more independent voters away if she fills in too many details. And so Matthew Continetti, the author of the just-published “Persecution of Sarah Palin” and her most persistent cheerleader after William Kristol, wrote in The Wall Street Journal that her role model for 2012 should be Bob McDonnell, the new Republican governor-elect of Virginia, who won on “a bipartisan, center-right approach.”
What Continetti means is that Palin could still somehow fudge her history as McDonnell did; his campaign kept his career-long history as a political acolyte and financial beneficiary of Pat Robertson on the down-low. Even the far right has figured out that homophobia is a turnoff to swing voters, which is why Palin goes out of her way in “Going Rogue” to remind us she has her very own lesbian friend. (What’s left unsaid is that the book’s credited ghost writer, Lynn Vincent, labeled homosexuality as “deviance” in her own writings for World, the evangelical magazine.)
But no matter how much Palin tries to pass for “center-right,” she’s unlikely to fool that vast pool of voters left, right and center who have already written her off as unqualified for the White House. The G.O.P. establishment knows this, and is frightened. The demographic that Palin attracts is in decline; there’s no way the math of her fan base adds up to an Electoral College victory.
Yet among Republicans she still ties Mitt Romney in the latest USA Today/Gallup survey, with 65 percent giving her serious presidential consideration, just behind the 71 for her evangelical rival, Mike Huckabee. The crowds lining up in the cold for her book tour are likely to be the most motivated to line up at the polls in G.O.P. primaries. They don’t speak the same language as Romney, Tim Pawlenty, Michael Steele, Mitch McConnell, John Boehner or, for that matter, McCain. They are more likely to heed Palin salesmen like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh than baffled Bush administration grandees like Peter Wehner, who last week called Palin “a cultural figure much more than a political one” on the Web site of the establishment conservative organ Commentary.
Culture is politics. Palin is at the red-hot center of age-old American resentments that have boiled up both from the ascent of our first black president and from the intractability of the Great Recession for those Americans who haven’t benefited from bailouts. As Palin thrives on the ire of the left, so she does from the disdain of Republican leaders who, with a condescension rivaling the sexism they decry in liberals, belittle her as a lightweight or instruct her to eat think-tank spinach.
The only person who can derail Palin is Palin herself. Should she not self-destruct, she will doom G.O.P. hopes of a 2012 comeback. But the rest of the country cannot rest easy. The rage out there is larger than Palin and defies partisan labeling. Her ever-present booster Continetti, writing in The Weekly Standard, suggested that she recast the century-old populist outrage of William Jennings Bryan by adopting the message “You shall not crucify mankind upon the cross of Goldman Sachs.” If Obama can’t tamp down that rage across the political map, Palin will at the very least pave the way for a demagogue with less baggage to pick up her torch.
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AT LEAST SHE PAYS HER TAXES!!!! which is more than I can say for a good number of Obama appointees! And the brilliant excuse for NOT doing so? "I made a mathmatical mistake"; "I couldn't figure out Turbo Tax"! Who's stupid?
Pleeease. They are either STUPID or dishonest---you take your pick. Now, you want to talk about Sarah's intelligence or integrity?
Casey said...
AT LEAST SHE PAYS HER TAXES!!!!
Great point Casey.
We have criminals in the senate, senators who caused the housing crisis still in prominent positions (Chris Dodd, Barnie Frank, Charlie Rangel) and CJP and the dems want to talk about Sarah Palin. I can't wait until her book breaks records. The dems will shit all over themselves. LOL Anon2, the pimple face preteen expert in the USA matters from Canada, will have to start watching CNN 24 hours a day. LOL
(laughing HARD) at you last comment HOTR!
Did you read "Culture of Corruption" by Michelle Malkin? I have been trying to get RG to read it, but he won't. This administration is filled to the brink with crooks! But they don't want to know about them. They continue to believe that Obama was sent from God to do his bidding.
YOu should read the book, but it will turn your stomach. These people are making decisions for us. We put these people in office!
"We put these people in office!"
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I think they're our crooks. Your crooks were kicked out last election.
Sarahs political philosophy in a nutshell:
1)God is Good, and likes cons best, because cons want to outlaw abortion. (It's really quite hilarious that dear God [nature] aborts nearly 30 percent of all pregnancies, but it's evil when the dems do it.)
2)Taxes are Bad
3)Freedom is Good as long as you do what I say.
Wait a second, the above is all cons philosophy. Sarah just sounds the most stupid saying it.
Think about it. The current con leaders. Palin, Huckabee, Romney, Bachmann, ??? The above nutshell fits them all perfectly.
Right On, Ray Gun. To the point. Very well said.
Thanks CJP.
Revision to 2:
2)Taxes are Bad, unless they are taxes to pay for my God given kids education, etc.
It's funny watching you guys obsess over Sarah Palin. There are so many relevant things going on but here you are talking about Palin again. I love that she gave Obama a "4" out of 10 on his job performance. I could see you both turning red now. lol
I think they're our crooks. Your crooks were kicked out last election.
Our crooks, your crooks. There shouldn't be crooks at all. And all of the unvetted Czars---read about them. Really look into who these people are and what they believe in. The disturbing thing is, he has appointed Czars to positions that are already covered. (ie: Adolfo Carrion; Urban Czar. We already have a Secretary of Housing and Urban Dev)So WTF?
I notice that there is no defense given for the lack of integrity of these people! Just more Blah. Blah. Blah. Abortion..Blah Blah.
BTW--spontaneous abortion (miscarriage) That 30% represents the first trimester, and it is widely belived to be natures way of eliminating malformed or defective fetuses.
Let's face it guys, You can't defend the Obama Admistration and the shady people that he has appointed, so you gloss over it and change the subject!
I doubt that you are, or would be REALLY ok with these people if you bothered to really find out about them. They represent the total opposite of what you all say that you are against! Lobbists, hedge fund mgrs, tax cheats, etc. I thought that you all voted for "change"?
"tax cheats, etc."
I think I hate rich tax cheats worse than poor tax cheats.
Maybe because I think a lot of the really rich got that way with dishonesty in the first place.
Cons worship the rich no matter how they got that way.
Raygun said...
"I think I hate rich tax cheats worse than poor tax cheats.
Maybe because I think a lot of the really rich got that way with dishonesty in the first place.
Cons worship the rich no matter how they got that way."
Right on Raygun.
RayGun said...
"tax cheats, etc."
I think I hate rich tax cheats worse than poor tax cheats.
The Obama administration has the greatest amount of tax cheating politicians ever. RG I thought Charlie Rangel was a non-story to you. You contradict yourself like always.
"Maybe because I think a lot of the really rich got that way with dishonesty in the first place." RG
Maybe you dems should start calling out your corrupt politicians. RG, it may come as a surprise to you that many rich people have studied for many years and work very hard for what they have earned. About 5% of the rich get it through inheritance.
Anon2, welcome aboard. I hope we can start fresh now.
"RG I thought Charlie Rangel was a non-story to you."
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Hey actually saw the Wrangle story on NYTimes today. Didn't bother reading it.
Wow, I can't believe Faux News convicted him so fast. Those guys are flat amazing.
If you've ever met any of the rich bastards, you'd be in such awe, you probably wouldn't even notice how arrogant they are.
HOTR, a large amount of luck is involved in becoming rich. Both good and bad luck.
I would love to jump ahead in time and see how the BB does regarding getting rich.
You still aren't addressing the number of crooks and tax cheats in your precious Obama's administration!
Oh and, "Cons worship the rich no matter how they got that way." How do you just say shit like that? That is completely out of thin air and without merit.
Casey said...
You still aren't addressing the number of crooks and tax cheats in your precious Obama's administration!
RG will never address the crooks and tax cheats because it kills him that it's democrats involved.
HOTR, a large amount of luck is involved in becoming rich. Both good and bad luck.
Once again, RG is wrong. Getting rich takes education and hard work. As I said, only 5% of rich people are lucky enough to be rich. The rest work hard.
It's unfortunate you hate when people get an education and work hard. Such a pity you hate rich people. Shame because they are people like you and I with problems like everybody else.
You seem to like the fact that poor people can stay home, wait for a check and deprive them of any motivation and self respect.
"Hey actually saw the Wrangle story on NYTimes today. Didn't bother reading it."
The funny thing is you don't bother reading news then write stuff here like you know what you're talking about.
I bet you read every Sarah Palin story available. lol. Must be a funny sight.
Did any of you read the NY Times story on the national debt? Todays edition. Not good news.
HOTR: RG is under the impression that poor people actually pay income taxes! What he doesn't take into consideration? When we are taxed more for energy, food, sales tax and the rest, it DOES affect them
Mammon is the cons God.
Have all these crooks and tax cheats been convicted yet? Well convicted anyplace other than Faux News?
"RG is under the impression that poor people actually pay income taxes!"
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Wrangle I am guessing is relatively poor.
Cons with their boat load of kids pay very little federal taxes.
GD, Hoping Palin is stopping at 5. Hope God does not talk to her anymore.
Cons, I am far far more concerned about leaders who talk to imaginary beings, than just about anything else.
"Wrangle I am guessing is relatively poor."
Way to research a comment every once in a while. Rangel is very rich. Alot richer than any politician should be. He doesn't have John Kerry (democrat) money but ethics are obviously being violated.
Rangel has vacation condos that he rents in the Dominican Republic that he has failed to pay income taxes in the last 10 year. He had 4 rent controlled apartments in NYC that should have gone to lower income citizens. He has failed to report accounts full of cash on his income tax. He is Chairman of the tax committee. He demands we pay taxes his way but he has somehow made himself exempt. Unbelievably Pelosi and the rest of the democrat congress have chosen not to investigate. Incredible!!
This is why republicans don't trust democrats because they choose to ignore obvious fraud withing there ranks. This is why democrats loose credibility when they debate.
Have all these crooks and tax cheats been convicted yet?
No they haven't. They have all these people like you, that are excusing them, and Obama putting them in positions of power over us. They make the rules, but they don't believe that they apply to themselves. But that's okay. You guys put them in office.
Charlie Rangle Taxes---google it. it is right there.
Casey said...
Charlie Rangle Taxes---google it. it is right there.
I bet not one lib reads this and gives and objective view. The democrat status quo continues.
HOTR--this is for you.
You are so right. The information can be right there in front of them and they will still ignore it. Doesn't fit into their limited scope of things. Everything that they disagree with is a "lie" or a conspiracy. It boggles the mind! Your info on Rangle is correct to the T. This isn't made up. I guess that they just can't face reality.
Well...we know that they can't---they are still trying to pass off the stimulus bill as being a sucess!
Wrangles total owed taxes, oh lets make something up and say 10 million, even though his supposed net worth is around 3/4 million.
Now lets look at the Wall Street gurus with their unregulated machinations of credit default swaps, derivative, CDO's, and other brilliant financial obfuscations which cost the taxpayer hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars.
So we have Wrangle on the left, and the Wall Street geniuses on the right, a disproportion of at least 10,000 to 1, and guess which one the cons panties are in a snit about?
"In the next several months, the Supreme Court will decide at least a half-dozen cases about the rights of people accused of crimes involving drugs, sex and corruption. Civil liberties groups and associations of defense lawyers have lined up on the side of the accused.
But so have conservative, libertarian and business groups."
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/24/us/24crime.html?_r=1&hp
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Hey silly cons, expect new talking points from your Faux News any day now. Looks like the con party is finally seeing the hypocrisy in its ways.
"Over the past decade, some 3,000 U.S. companies have been bought by private-equity firms. Their M.O.? Suck up companies with borrowed money, make them more efficient and then resell, turning a profit in the process. These days, nearly 1 in 10 nongovernmental employees works for a private equity–owned company, and that, says longtime industry reporter Josh Kosman, is a big problem."
http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1942574,00.html
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Oh those crafty Wall Street geniuses are at it again. They're just so smart. How can you not be enthralled?
Cons, time to bow to you masters, again.
RG, I know you want to divert Charlie Rangle with you little speech. I also know that you supposedly hate corruption. What do you think should happen to Charlie Rangle? Or do you continue to ignore corruption in the government? Or are you brainwashed (using your word) so badly that you will listen to any democrat no matter what they do?
Point is Wrangle is small potatoes. And I am not bothering pointing out all the cons with legal troubles.
There is supposedly 70 trillion in credit default swaps out there (no one really knows) that could become toxic any time.
Why aren't we talking about that and other wonderful thing the masters of the universe are doing?
RayGun said...
Point is Wrangle is small potatoes
Obviously you don't know that he is chairman of tax committee. Obviously you don't know he tells over 300 million people how to pay taxes. He's small potatoes to you because he's democrat but you'll never admit it. How transparent.
Point the cons out RG. We need to clear the whole playing field of corrupt politicians. Why do you think "the masters of the universe" get away with things? Because they have too many close relationships with corrupt politicians who watch their back. Get rid of corrupt politicians and replace them with honest ones that will govern for the people.
Since you are willing to ignore corrupt politicians the status quo continues. All the libs can do is complain. Libs never take action. They only obey.
Cons only obey Faux News.
I am not going to pay much attention to this until trial decision dates come around.
Let Faux distract you cons, no one else is paying much attention.
Is Faux trying to distract you cons from global financial implosion? So they dump there stocks before the poo hits the fan?
Again, RG you amaze me. What we are saying is that you if would READ something, you would find out that these Wall Street guys were allowed to get away with this because these politicians not only had their backs---they too had their hands in it! The current administration is filled with people that took money from these people, participated, and profited from this mess.
What HOTR is saying is that we all need to open our eyes, face reality, and clean the slate. Start over with new people. No more dirty politicians!
Now, I know that, that takes effort, and it means that you just can't say, "Democrate=good" and then caste your vote.
Every year it gets worse. Now look where it has gotten us.
BTW. This info is not from FOX---Google it.
"Wall Street guys were allowed to get away with this because these politicians not only had their backs---they too had their hands in it!"
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BS, this all happened under w, with Greenspan's blessing. Hopefully Bernanke will be replaced under Obama.
The reason the implosion happened in the first place is the masters, being unregulated and knowing best, created some incredibly leveraged financial crap that turned toxic. It's still happening.
We know who hates the pesky government regulations, the cons.
Mary Matlin, from the book you mention, is a regular on Faux News.
"It's still happening." --RG
Yes, it is. you just made my case!
These things DID start under Clinton and Bush. Got that right, but if you would read, you would find out, that prior to being in the Obama Administration, these guys were major players in the Wall Street mess. Now these guys have been given cushey cabinet posts, and are making decisions that effect all of us. Gee...wonder why they all start these positions making $100 per year and leave office as millionaires? Ever wonder how that happens? Rhom Emanuel=appointed by Clinton to Freddie Mac board of directors=allowed massive bonuses, 2 sets of books,=$$ to Emanuel=now WH Chief of Staff! Just one example.There are so many others. The list is LONG. Instead of being strung up, these guys have been rewarded!
And again, the book was written by Michelle Malkin. Yes, she is a Fox contributor, but she made her name as an investigative journalist exposing this crap long before the Fox gig. Probably how she got the Fox job.
Don't forget, alot of this happened under Chris Dodd and Barney Frank's watch. 2 more sterling examples of fine Dems looking out for us! But you won't see this as it is, RG. You will just make some other silly comment about "cons" being stupid or loving rich people or having too many kids! OH or that all time favorite---the Fox News bashing.
Sorry, on a complete Faux News strike. If it's true, it'll eventually make it to the real news.
The cons were blaming the poor people for the financial collapse because they took out mortgages they couldn't afford. This was just a short time ago.
The non affordable mortgages was part of the problem, but the default credit swaps and the synthetic derivatives amplified the whole situation 1 thousand times. Common sense should be asking, how can a small group of poor people cause a near worldwide financial collapse?
They estimate their is 70 trillion dollars of garbage derivatives,and CDOs etc out there now. No one knows, because that BS is not regulated. One or two defaults will trigger the whole thing to come down again.
The glorious magnificent Wall Street money mongers. Cons, bow down to your lords.
"The cons were blaming the poor people for the financial collapse because they took out mortgages they couldn't afford."
Another lib misleading people of the facts. The poor, the middleclass, the rich, corps all got loans they couldn't afford. That is an unavoidable consequence when congress relaxes banking laws, this is what happens. If the democrats would have kept their noses out of the banking business this wouldn't have happened. Banks had strict deposit requirements and credit reporting requirements so they gave loans to people "who could" afford them. It was destroyed when Dodd, Frank and other dems got their hooks into them.
Republicans weren't blaming the poor, they were blaming the congress for butting in and messing things up.
Of course this will all be ignored by the libs. This some how is not newsworthy to libs. Why face the truth when we could talk about Sarah Palin?
No one is blaming the poor for this. The govt in their Infinate wisdom mandated that these mtgs were available to the poor. Banks and mtg companies used to require good credit, and down payments, but the govt forced the guidelines to be relaxed. (Barney Frank STILL wants that!)And my point is---these guys that are now in high positions in our govt then made a profit on these toxic loans. My problem is not HOW it happened, because we know HOW it happened, my problem is with the players. Remember, it started under Clinton, and then was expanded under Bush, and now we have FHA (govt loans) that are being treated like the new sub-prime. (50billion in losses so far this year)with lax guidelines, and Frank calling for them to be relaxed even more! Just wait for the next wave of HUD foreclosures to hit.
"Sorry, on a complete Faux News strike. If it's true, it'll eventually make it to the real news." RG
It has already made it to the other news. Google it.
Case, your being fed a line of manure. Bear Stearns did not collapse because they were forced to lend money to the poor. Neither nearly did the other banks. Moody's rated the garbage AAA and the stupid banks believed them and bought crap credit default swaps and synthetic derivatives. No one could understand them. Those masters of finance, the ones you all worship, were duped by Moodys? Or was Moodys duped to giving a AAA rating by the original masters pedaling the crap? JFC, we are all doomed.
Do you cons see how hard it could be for some to take any of you seriously, when most of you or your leaders believe in imaginary beings?
"There's no room for a God in the world as he sees it, and he believes atheists should be forceful in opposing religion. He acknowledges that it's an unpopular case to make, particularly in the United States."
Dawkins
http://www.cnn.com/2009/OPINION/11/23/dawkins.darwin.atheism/index.html
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I have read quite a bit of Dawkins also.
And I agree with him, religion is mans next big hurdle. And the zealot cons don't help much.
RayGun said...
Do you cons see how hard it could be for some to take any of you seriously, when most of you or your leaders believe in imaginary beings?
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CutandpasteGun must have run out of anything intelligent to say. Thanks for adding another gem.
what you are refusing to acknowledge is that the very same people that were involved up to their elbows in this mess are the same people that have been appointed to high level offices in the Obama admin! The AAA ratings were given because Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac called them AAA.
But that's okay. A change is coming, and you guys are going to be left out in the cold. Obama's approval rating is slipping fast, and people are getting wise to the line of crap that we are being fed by this administration. They are even going to be investigating the "junk science" that we have been being fed about the global climate change! (did you see the NY Times story on the hacked email account from the climate scientist and the numbers cover-up?) Probably not!
And as for God? Not going there... I am not trying to convert you.
They are even going to be investigating the "junk science" that we have been being fed about the global climate change!
No please Casey. No real news is to be posted here!! Seems to be what CJP thinks.
Why do we do this HOTR? We might as well be discussing this with our dogs!
I know, I know. You are right. No real news should be spoken on this blog. They can't handle it! I must have lost my head for a minute there.
I guess that I need a good laugh...maybe I should visit our new 18 million dollar Recovery.gov website---that is always good for a few chuckles.
Case Sweetums, Moodys is an independent rating agency. Never mind, this stuff is way over your heads. Get a good book that distills it for you. I did.
"No real news should be spoken on this blog"
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Right and we should listen to the "truth" coming from people who believe in imaginary beings or who's leaders believe in imaginary beings.
I can live with libertarians, progressives, liberals, democrats, as most of their leaders don't believe in imaginary beings. Most all con leaders do.
"Pelosi keeps door open on war tax"
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That crazy Pelosi and other crazy dems, now want to tax and spend on the cons favorite past time. War.
RayGun said...
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I can live with libertarians, progressives, liberals, democrats, as most of their leaders don't believe in imaginary beings. Most all con leaders do.
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RayGun said...
"Pelosi keeps door open on war tax"
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That crazy Pelosi and other crazy dems, now want to tax and spend on the cons favorite past time. War.
Why not? We're getting taxed on everything else. Always happens when dems are in charge. No change there.
Oh RG. I do know about this stuff. I am a residential mortgage underwriter. I saw the approvals through Fannie Mae's automated underwriting system! Pieces of absolute CRAP were getting approved and we would be stunned!!!
We saw the stupid programs being rolled out. Because Fannie and Freddie gave these things approvals, they had to be purchased, meaning they had been rated through their system and they were guaranteed to be purchased.
Still...not going there on the religion...
Dems have to be a little embarrassed by now.
Obama's bowing to everyone.
Unemployment at 26 years highs.
CBO says stimulus had no effect on jobs.
CBO says health care will raise taxes to new high levels.
Global warming is a hoax.
Sarah Palin sells more books than Obama and Hillary put together.
World leaders don't respect Obama.
Wow. So much for the chosen one.
"Always happens when dems are in charge. No change there. "
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I agree with you HOOTERs, I think Obama just just borrow, borrow, borrow. The only thing he has to worry about for re-election is inflation. He should be ok with borrowing another trillion. Krugman thinks so.
Did I forget to mention that Palin gave Obama a "4" out of 10 in job approval. LOL
I think Obama just just borrow, borrow, borrow. The only thing he has to worry about for re-election is inflation. He should be ok with borrowing another trillion. Krugman thinks so.
LOL. It's funny when RG thinks out loud.
"He should be ok with borrowing another trillion. Krugman thinks so."
LOL. Sounds almost like a person taking a mortgage they can't afford. Libs fuzzy math. Borrow another trillion??? What a buffoon.
"Did I forget to mention that Palin gave Obama a "4" out of 10 in job approval. LOL "
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I give Palin a 1 out of 10 on her VP performance, and her second 2 years as governor, and her intelligence.
Obama's approvals are tanking. Can't wait to get him out of there. This will be easier than getting rid of Carter.
I give Palin a 1 out of 10 on her VP performance, and her second 2 years as governor, and her intelligence.
That's ok. We give you a negative. lol
HOOTERs, you cons have proven what experts you are on the economy the last 8 years. LOL. Keep talking, no one is listening.
It's funny how things went downhill after the dems took control of the house in 2006.
"I am a residential mortgage underwriter."
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Fine Case. But don't you find it a little strange that the entire global financial system nearly collapsed due to Fanny and Freddy? Comon, explain that one.
Icelands system did collapse, as they were major players in the CDS and derivative BS. The rest of the worlds financial geniuses were involved also. But not as much as Iceland, US, UK, and a few others.
He doesn't want to admit it, but deep down inside, he knows you're right, HOTR!
They all know. They just ignore it as been proven.
"He doesn't want to admit it, but deep down inside, he knows you're right, HOOTER!"
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GG, cons are delusional. Oops, we knew that already. LOL
Al Gore must really hate the truth about global warming coming out. ooooppppss
"They all know. They just ignore it as been proven."
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Long live trickle down.
Long live tax cuts will increase tax revenue.
Long live the tooth ferry.
LOL
Long live lassiaz faire government.
Comon you cons have some more, I just can't remember them at this second.
Long live the tooth ferry. Did I mention that one? LOL
RG said...
Long live taxing me to death.
Long live me ignoring news.
Long live me speaking without knowing the facts.
Fine Case. But don't you find it a little strange that the entire global financial system nearly collapsed due to Fanny and Freddy? Comon, explain that one.
Well, it's like this. Who was buying these toxic commodities?
Yep. Obama was wrong. They thought that people were listening to his speaches---thought that they actually understood what he was saying. He actually thought that the people of this country were ready for a socialistic form of govt. But they aren't. Americans like their govt, and their freedoms, and now they are waking up and discovering that this is not the "change" that they thought that they were voting for.
Approval is already down to 48% and falling. The recent elections show that people are leaning the other way. Your precious Obama is going to go down as another Jimmy Carter.
"Who was buying these toxic commodities? "
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JFC, all the GD banks were buying the garbage, after they were pooled then sold as tranches (sound sexy), then collatorized debt obligations were taken out on them, them synthetic derivatives were formed from them. Then it was all sold again to the masters of the fking universe with GD Moodey AAA ratings.
Obama is worse than Jimmy Carter. Carter is the good old days compared to Obama.
HOOTERs, all Obama has to do is just spend like a banshee, and he'll come out smelling like a rose, like the dear RayGun did.
RayGun said...
HOOTERs, all Obama has to do is just spend like a banshee, and he'll come out smelling like a rose, like the dear RayGun did.
Brilliant....
HOOTERs, progressives, libs, dems, everyone learned from Carter. I just wish now the simple hedge hog cons would learn from w.
"Brilliant.... "
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Thanks. I just hope Obama says fk it and just does it.
RayGun said...
HOOTERs, all Obama has to do is just spend like a banshee, and he'll come out smelling like a rose, like the dear RayGun did.
I wonder why I can't do that in real life...
I guess you have to be a politician to be so uninformed.
RayGun said...
HOOTERs, progressives, libs, dems, everyone learned from Carter.
LOL. They didn't learn much did they?
RayGun said...
HOOTERs, progressives, libs, dems, everyone learned from Carter.
Thanks for clearing up why Obama is doing so terribly.
"LOL. They didn't learn much did they? "
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Yes, just give the poor a good kick and it'll get them going, and don't worry about budget deficits as everyone will feel good from the spending (eventually) and forget about the debt (just hope everyone keeps lending to us. if they don't we can just print money).
Yes, just give the poor a good kick and it'll get them going.
The dems have been trying to get the poor to stay home and get a free check for years. All it's got the poor in generation after generation of welfare recipients who have lost their motivation and self respect. When Clinton signed the workfare program (because of republican congress) these same recipients started to work and gain self respect.
RG you're a genius. Let's just keep printing money. Inflation is not a problem.
By the way. Has anyone noticed that Obama is still....
DITHERING
DITHERING
DITHERING
Dam he must have a master plan coming.
"RG you're a genius. Let's just keep printing money. Inflation is not a problem. "
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Fk it, Im tired of the RayGun and the w borrowing and making it look like the tax cuts did the trick. It was the borrowing that did the trick. Go Obama. Borrow like a banshee.
(just hope everyone keeps lending to us. if they don't we can just print money).
See? He CAN'T mean this! No one in their right mind actually believes that we can continue to do that without serious consequences.
RG, you are just putting us on.
Dithering
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Better than w and his gut feeling (God) guiding the way. We have seen where that got us.
DITHERING
DITHERING
DITHERING
Nice RG. Make the US soldiers lives political. True lib.
"RG, you are just putting us on."
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To some degree. But that's what the RayGun and the w did.
See? He CAN'T mean this! No one in their right mind actually believes that we can continue to do that without serious consequences.
Casey, RG does believe this. That's what happens when you don't watch real news.
RayGun said...
"RG, you are just putting us on."
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To some degree. But that's what the RayGun and the w did.
Please RG tell us how much Reagan and W spent. Then tell us how much Obama is still spending.
DITHERING
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HOOTERs, if w would of dithered on Iraq, we would be up around 4 trillion. But w went by his gut (God in heaven), and here we are. Thanks w. Thanks God. Especially thanks to the cons for putting w in office.
HOOTERs, if w would of dithered on Iraq, we would be up around 4 trillion.
Please explain this. This should be good.
"Please RG tell us how much Reagan and W spent."
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Already answered at least 3 times.
Everything is either a photo op or a political matter for Obama. He is going to run Afganistan like Viet Nam---going to cost more American lives while playing a game. Just like Lyndon Johnson. Never played to win. Cost us hundreds of thousands of lives. Johnson? Another Democrat!
RayGun said...
"Please RG tell us how much Reagan and W spent."
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Already answered at least 3 times.
Maybe in riddles. I would be happy with a simple number.
"Never played to win."
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You cons are so full of something.
Why didn't w win it for us in 7 years?
Why didn't w win it for us in 7 years?
If you're in a war, you fight to win. Otherwise why be there? Obama is not fighting to win.
Al Gore must really hate the truth about global warming coming out. ooooppppss.
Talk about "inconvenient truth" LOL
He has made his hundreds of millions.
"Already answered at least 3 times."
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Last time. Rayguns deficit was around 1.5 trillion.
w had a deficit of around 5 trillion.
and fk off if you mention Obamas whatever deficit that has happened in 8 months or so.
RG you say Reagan and W spent so much than can't answer how much. Uniformed again. Libs always through comments out there whether they are true or not.
Obama's deficit at 12 trillion and he still has 3 years left. LOL
and fk off if you mention Obamas whatever deficit that has happened in 8 months or so.
Why RG? Does the truth hurt?
The truth kills the libs. Especially RG. lol
"The truth kills the libs. Especially RG. lol "
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Simple minded con hedge hogs. LOL
ps, dear Tooth fairy, I will lay my tooth under my pillow and please provide money to pay my bills. thanks. amen.
Can you say D-e-l-u-s-i-o-n-a-l??
Unfortunately we have to suffer through another 3 years!
Hey--has Obama been sucessful at anything that he has tried to do? I know that he is good at golf and throwing parties, but anything REAL? Thank God--NO!
"Can you say D-e-l-u-s-i-o-n-a-l??"
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Cons are delusional. They believe in imaginary beings (God). These imaginary beings (God) tell said cons to:
1)Love Me (God) First.
2)Help the Poor.
3)Despise Money.
What do cons do?
1)Love Money First.
2)Pretend to Love HIM (God).
3)Don't Help the Poor because they are Lazy.
LOL, but its the truth.
RayGun said...
blah.....blah......blah......blah
Baaa haaaaa haaaaa HOOTER, u know its true.
The dems follow your God more than you crazy cons do. Aren't you embarassed? LOL
Dems:
1)Help the Poor.
2)Moneys not that Big of Deal.
3)Listen to God (except about homos).
LOL, its the truth.
RayGun said...
blah.....blah......blah......blah
Comon Case, you believe in imaginary beings, admit it.
Dems:
1)Help the Poor.
2)Moneys not that Big of Deal.
3)Listen to God (except about homos).
1)help them to stay poor
2)Louisanna politician with $90k cash in freezer and Rangel, Geitner and other democrat tax cheats say otherwise.
3)Wastes peoples time by going to church and not believing according to RG
Embarrasing.
I think you can find the believers in imaginary beings by seeing if they believe in abortion.
1)BB, no abortion, yes to God
2)HOOTER, abortion ok, no to God
3)Casey, no abortion, yes to God.
4)CJP, not sure, no to God (guessing)
Black unemployment has hit depression levels. Great job dems.
Not going there RG. I believe that I have already stated my religious beliefs. Not relavant to the discussion...
Why do you care so much about abortion RG? I wouldn't think that it is something that you need to worry about, is it?
"Not going there RG. I believe that I have already stated my religious beliefs. Not relavant to the discussion..."
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Hugh???
Palin is a religious nut.
Huckabee,
The Mormon Guy,
Bachmann,
Shouldnt belief in imaginary beings be an important criteria to electing the most powerful leader in the world???
Under a bill being drafted by Democratic Reps. Peter DeFazio (Ore.) and Ed Perlmutter (Colo.), the sale and purchase of financial instruments such as stocks, options, derivatives and futures would face a 0.25 percent tax.
Gee, HOTR. The stock market appears to have been doing too well lately. Seems now we have to tax it and make sure it fails, too
"Why do you care so much about abortion RG?"
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Case honey, that's how the cons convince the masses that they are on the side of God. So it is a lie that concerns me.
Shouldnt belief in imaginary beings be an important criteria to electing the most powerful leader in the world???
Obama sure had his finger in the "I am a Christian" pie, didn't he?
Gee, HOTR. The stock market appears to have been doing too well lately. Seems now we have to tax it and make sure it fails, too
It's a shame that I believe that this is exactly what the dems would do.
You've got your abortion rights, don't you? So what's the problem? Want to make sure that women can abort at 9 mos? Is that your point???
Yeah, we need 3 more years of this! But the Dems are gonna save the ecomomy!
Hey HOTR: did you see the article about the documents found in the dumpster at a Calif ACRON office? Really interesting stuff
"Obama sure had his finger in the "I am a Christian" pie, didn't he? "
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Everyone knows dems are fakers. That is all dems besides Carter. Carter was the real deal. He puts w, RayGun and the other cons to shame.
Carter is like Mother Theresa. I can live with both of those nuts. :-) I can't live with the hypocrites.
You simple cons. No one is even paying any attention to Acorn except Faux News.
"Carter was the real deal. He puts w, RayGun and the other cons to shame."
LOL
Casey don't bring up ACORN because it's not fair to present facts and news to RG.
"Casey don't bring up ACORN "
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Fk Acorn.
Fk The Birthers.
Fk The Tea Baggers.
No one cares about that BS.
"There you go again". You sound like the same idiot cons hounding Clinton about a GD blowjob. JC cons, grow up.
Yeah, that Carter was the real deal...Damned anti-semite! He was a real piece of work, and still is. I am suprised that you listen to him RG. No one else does
Fk real news
Fk real facts
Real progress.
I dont listen to Carter. But he helps the poor, like the GD good book says to.
I never liked Carter. He was too soft. But he practiced what he preached.
I liked RayGun, he was right for the times. But the times have changed, as w has shown.
"President Obama said he will announce his plans for Afghanistan after Thanksgiving. But the Pentagon says it's already planning to send 34,000 more U.S. troops there."
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You war loving cons should be thrilled. We will show the other God who is boss.
hope we didn't loose many troops while Obama was DITHERING...DITHERING...DITHERING
"Christian youth groups finally have an alternative to normal, aka "front," hugs. As we all know, face to face embraces run the horrific risk of a clothed crotch graze. The Christian Side-Hug (or the CSH, as the kids call it) rids us of sin, as the only below the belt contact will be some good old-fashioned hip on hip action."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/24/the-side-hug-youth-group_n_369651.html
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Hey cons, above may save you from sin.
Case, are you being careful about your hugs?
And with RG's stupid comment I will say goodnight.
"And with RG's stupid comment I will say goodnight."
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Ok HOOTER, good night. Plz say your prayers for all the con sins. Thanks.
Pentagon says it's already planning to send 34,000 more U.S. troops there."
Yeah, over the next 2 years! Too bad so many will die while Obama plays games
And I am going to go watch some Fox News. Good nite, RG
Ok. Good night Case. Good luck with the lies. Sleep tight and dont forget the prayers.
hispanicontheright said...
"hope we didn't loose many troops while Obama was DITHERING...DITHERING...DITHERING"
You DID loose way too many troops with Dubya jumping into Iraq for his own reasons and the war there has cost you at least 800 billion so far.
"President Obama has shattered the budget record for first-year presidents -- spending nearly double what his predecessor did when he came into office and far exceeding the first-year tabs for any other U.S. president in history."
The above is the truth. Another truth: Obama's approval ratings are taking a fast dive. Another: ACORN papers found in a dumpster, disclose alot of nasty stuff; and now conspiracy emails have been obtained showing global climate change to be a huge crock of crap.
Let's face it. It's all falling apart for you guys. This "hope and change" has turned out to be a disaster. Obama lied about so many things; even his 18 million $ website is a big fat bogus pile of shit. People are watching FOX News, Glenn Beck & O'Reilly because the mainstream media has let them down. My prediction? You are going to see a sweeping change come the next elections. It's over. BTW--another fact? Harris Pole: 90% of people believe in God; African-Americans are more likely than whites and Hispanics to hold Christian beliefs. So, there you have it.
"You DID loose way too many troops with Dubya jumping into Iraq for his own reasons and the war there has cost you at least 800 billion so far."
You're right Anon2. So what is the great Obama's response.
More DITHERING....DITHERING....DITHERING
It's amazing how Obama's made DITHERING a popular word. The British are now using it to describe him.
But he made the cover of GQ magazine!
– Websites should be obliged to remove "false rumors" while libel laws should be altered to make it easier to sue for spreading such "rumors," argued Cass Sunstein, Obama's regulatory czar.
This is regarding political thoughts and opposing words. This doesn't scare you guys---just a little? This is something that all
totalitarian regimes do to the opposition. Where are your screams of "freedom of speach" that we heard so often over the past 8 years? You guys always say that when it serves your interest to do so. You don't mean it.
hispanicontheright said...
"It's amazing how Obama's made DITHERING a popular word."
It was Cheney, the war mongerer who first used that word. That piece of trash and his daughter Liz are quite the same.
False rumors about your president Obama have been and are often just plain slander. By law he could sue the pants off of most white extremists.
Do you Americans have any civility left, you seem to be just one big angry mob who hate each other.
Anon2 said...
"Do you Americans have any civility left, you seem to be just one big angry mob who hate each other."
Did you learn this from CNN, because we will always remember what an American expert you are from this comment:
Anon2 said...
PS: As a matter of fact, often people from other countries have a more objective view of what is happening in another country, especially if one is a neighbor and watching/hearing CNN daily for hours.
LOL. That is so dam funny. thanks for making my day. Now you can return to watching CNN. LOL
Hey Anon2: I bet you don't know the first thing about Obama! Do you ever READ anything? Or are you just a CNN expert? I suggest that you might try picking up a book once in a while---or if that is too difficult, try changing the channel once in a while. You just might learn something.
And Anon2 get a grip about this: US Presidents don't sue people while holding the highest office of the US. It is a right and a necessity to be allowed to express different opinions, and to expose information that is uncovered about the person that holds that office. Shutting down the voice of opposition is called Fashism. Google that.
OMG HOTR. Now our Canadian expert on the Unitied States (via CNN) thinks that US presidents need to start sueing people. Guess they didn't cover that on CNN yet.
Not only that Casey, but the pimple faced pre-teen thinks she should have more freedom of speech in the US than we should.
how do you know she is a pre-teen? Maybe she needs some civics classes. I imagine that the Queen of England sues people all of the time, or the Prime Minister of Canada? What a great idea!
Hey, do you think that if you and I watch CNN all day long, we would know all about Canada and then we could email Canadians and tell them how we know what is better for their conuntry then they do? Or the BBC?
I assumed she is a child because she doesn't sound very mature. The silly things she says sounds like they're coming from a child. lol
Here's the pre-teen talking in favor of health care some weeks ago:
Anon2 said...
"People (usually con supported) on USA TV ads are lying about our health care. Only problem is some waiting time, depending how urgent the case is."
The little girl has to wait for care. Hahaha. Then she says we should do the same. This has to be a child. Can't be a real woman.
I guess she learns alot from Larry King. lol
Anon2, the tides are a changin. Free speech is one thing, but owning too much media is another thing. The government will start breaking up the media monopoly's soon. Just like the Airlines. They get too big then our gov breaks em up. And the cons cry their little eyes out about big brother, and their dreams of hitler hood are once again ruined.
baaaahaaaahaaaaa, silly cons.
RG, the voice of reason. Good afternoon.
Running late today HOOTER.
"Sounding board, sage on foreign policy and twister of senatorial arms: Joe Biden could be the second most powerful vice president in history.
Joe Biden could be the second most powerful vice president in history.
?????? I take back the voice of reason.
Just quoting front page of NYTimes. And I agree with them.
The only thing I can give Cheney any credit for, is he probably did not believe in imaginary beings.
Strange. I hardly see Joe Biden. It's like Obama doesn't want him to be seen or heard because he always says something really stupid.
Bidens incredible smart. His mouth just runs a little too much and he gets in trouble.
Free speech is one thing, but owning too much media is another thing. The government will start breaking up the media monopoly's soon.---RayGun
You never cease to amaze me. The is a world of difference between the airlines, and new media. The last time I checked was that GE owns alot of the media. Don't see conservatives calling for that to be broken up.
Can't disagree. You have to have some intelligence to be in politics that long. He's a great example of shy we should have term limits.
Bidens incredible smart. His mouth just runs a little too much and he gets in trouble.
If he is so incredibly smart, then why can't he filter statements? Usually really smart people don't say such stupid things
"The last time I checked was that GE owns alot of the media. "
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If they start lying a lot, then GE should be broken up also.
Plus, GE doesn't often, unanimously, all it's media, speak with one voice. One voice repeating itself a thousand times a day, through multiple outlets; We've seen what damage that can cause.
We've seen what damage that can cause.
What damage is that?
"what damage is that"
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Right wing brain washing.
Once you repeat something, starting around 3000 times, the words take root in your head. You actually start believing it. Thats why the cons message is so simple, God is good, Taxes are bad, etc, because they can repeat them frequently, and the masses make the message their own.
Like brain washing.
Can you give me a specific example of the damage caused?
"Former Alaska GOP Gov. Sarah Palin on Wednesday did not rule out running for president alongside Fox News host Glenn Beck in 2012."
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29913.html
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Oh Good God, the dream con dumb ticket.
Specific example:
The war in Iraq. Wasn't certain sections of the news, cheer leading the invasion of Iraq?
Wasn't certain sections of the media calling anyone cowards, and not supporting the troops, whenever the mildest dissent was voiced?
I'm sorry. I didn't know such an easy question would stump you. Let's try again. Can you give me one specific example of the damage caused. Just one.
RayGun said...
Specific example:
The war in Iraq. Wasn't certain sections of the news, cheer leading the invasion of Iraq?
Everyone cheerleaded the invasion at first. The dems changed their minds when they figured they could make this political. Try a real example.
This is not for you RG because I know you don't like the truth. For others, here is what the dems said about Iraq in their own words.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwqh4wQPoQk
"Former Alaska GOP Gov. Sarah Palin on Wednesday did not rule out running for president alongside Fox News host Glenn Beck in 2012."
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Oh GD, who's going to decide who's Dumb, and who's Dumber?
Sorry, UTUBE is against my religion.
RayGun said...
Sorry, UTUBE is against my religion.
Not for you. Only people who are interested in truth. Only for people who want to see Pelosi, Dean, Hillary all say that we have to go after Saddam.
See? He knows that he is cornered. "can't go on Utube"? That is soooooo lame!
Back to my question. RG, please give one example of the so-called damage caused.
"Though Fox News Channel frequently engaged in overt cheerleading for the war and is on record as considering itself a pro-war news outlet "
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1145'
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Read it and see some truth.
"Back to my question. RG, please give one example of the so-called damage caused. "
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W being elected president. Baaah aaaa haaaa. W, by such a small majority, you have to admit bs media bias could of easily swung the stupid voters.
And we know God little warriors had a hand in getting w into the WhiteHouse also.
Case honey, regarding your God.. What if you were born in the middle east? Wouldn't Allah have a 90 percent chance of being your God?
The Christian God and Muslim God, don't get along according to the good books. One of them is a fake God. Which one?
Regarding "Case honey", I somtimes call select female con adversaries by terms of endearment. Plz don't be offended.
Sorry, had to step away.
I guess RG you don't have one real example of damage.
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1145'
Sorry I don't do editorials. I'd much rather do youtube where I can see the lib politicians say things without any distortion.
Okay, cookie, honey schook-ums...LOL. You really don't offend me, but I have to dish it back to you!
I am not going to argue with you on who is right and who is wrong. I was just giving you the stats on how many of the United States residents believe in God. It obviously is not just "cons". Must be some libs out there believing, too.
We're missing someone. CNN must have a great lineup of shows tonight. lol
You cons are nuts. There are many sites out there, professional sites, that debunk Faux News lies on a daily basis.
Is the evil on the left MSNBC? I don't even know.
I would like to see whoever you consider is on the left, the best of, debunking sites.
I could show you many videos of lying politicians. That includes republicans and democrats. But you don't do youtube. Why not? Don't you want to see exactly what a politician says instead of reading someones opinion of what he said?
"Must be some libs out there believing, too."
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Case, honey, "believing", Einstein believed God created the Earth and walked away. No heaven, no hell, no worship etc, etc. I can live with that God. God in this case really does not matter.
So, "believing", can you call Einstein a believer then?
Einsteins God doesn't make any difference. "Believing" is just a word.
Believing the bible and Koran are Gods words. Thats a totally different matter.
Case, do you believe the Bible is Gods perfect words?
"I could show you many videos of lying politicians."
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Out of context I am sure.
There are plenty of unedited videos. Try it one day. Look up any republican and you could see him or her speak. If they lie then they are on record.
Again, I am not going down this road with you. I believe this is a very personal thing, and not to be ridiculed. You have your disbelief, and that doesn't bother me in the least. I would like that same respect.
"Look up any republican and you could see him or her speak."
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Funny, none of my computers have sound. I have 7 in the room I am in. 3 of them are high end computers, but never bothered buying speakers for any. I hate listening to commercials? Don't we all?
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