Thursday, November 19, 2009

The GOP's Senate Blockade

The GOP's No-Exit Strategy

By E.J. Dionne Jr.

The Washington Post -- Thursday, November 19, 2009

Normal human beings -- let's call them real Americans -- cannot understand why, 10 months after President Obama's inauguration, Congress is still tied down in a procedural torture chamber trying to pass the health-care bill Obama promised in his campaign.

Last year, the voters gave him the largest popular-vote margin won by a presidential candidate in 20 years. They gave Democrats their largest Senate majority since 1976 and their largest House majority since 1992.

Obama didn't just offer bromides about hope and change. He made specific pledges. You'd think that the newly empowered Democrats would want to deliver quickly.

But what do real Americans see? On health care, they read about this or that Democratic senator prepared to bring action to a screeching halt out of displeasure with some aspect of the proposal. They first hear that a bill will pass by Thanksgiving and then learn it might not get a final vote until after the new year.

Is it any wonder that Congress has miserable approval ratings? Is it surprising that independents, who want their government to solve a few problems, are becoming impatient with the current majority?

Democrats in the Senate -- the House is not the problem -- need to have a long chat with themselves and decide whether they want to engage in an act of collective suicide.

But it's also time to start paying attention to how Republicans, with Machiavellian brilliance, have hit upon what might be called the Beltway-at-Rush-Hour Strategy, aimed at snarling legislative traffic to a standstill so Democrats have no hope of reaching the next exit.

We know what happens when drivers just sit there when they're supposed to be moving. They get grumpy, irascible and start turning on each other, which is exactly what the Democrats are doing.

Republicans know one other thing: Practically nobody is noticing their delay-to-kill strategy. Who wants to discuss legislative procedure when there's so much fun and profit in psychoanalyzing Sarah Palin?

Yet there was a small break in the Curtain of Obstruction this week when Republican senators unashamedly ate every word they had spoken when George W. Bush was in power about the horrors of filibustering nominees for federal judgeships. On Tuesday, a majority of Republicans tried to block a vote on the appointment of David F. Hamilton, a rather moderate jurist, to a federal appeals court.

Sen. Jeff Sessions of Alabama explained the GOP's about-face by saying: "I think the rules have changed."

That was actually a helpful comment, because the Republicans have changed the rules on Senate action up and down the line. Hamilton's case is just the one instance that finally got a little play.

Thankfully, this filibuster failed because some Republicans were embarrassed by it. But Republican delaying tactics have made Obama far too wary about judicial nominations for fear of controversy. He is well behind his predecessor in filling vacancies, a shameful capitulation to obstruction. There's also the fact that the nomination of Christopher Schroeder as head of the Justice Department's Office of Legal Policy, which helps to vet judges, is snarled -- guess where? -- in the Senate.

Republicans are using the filibuster to stall action even on bills that most of them support. Remember: The rule is to keep Democrats from ever reaching the exit.

As of last Monday, the Senate majority had filed 58 cloture motions requiring 32 recorded votes. One of the more outrageous cases involved an extension in unemployment benefits, a no-brainer in light of the dismal economy. The bill ultimately cleared the Senate this month by 98 to 0.

The vote came only after the Republicans launched three filibusters against the bill and tried to lard it with unrelated amendments, delaying passage by nearly a month. And you wonder why it's so hard to pass health care?

Defenders of the Senate always say the Founders envisioned it as a deliberative body that would cool the passions of the House. But Sessions unintentionally blew the whistle on how what's happening now has nothing to do with the Founders' design.

The rules have changed. The extra-constitutional filibuster is being used by the minority, with extraordinary success, to make the majority look foolish, ineffectual and incompetent. By using Republican obstructionism as a vehicle for forcing through their own narrow agendas, supposedly moderate Democratic senators will only make themselves complicit in this humiliation.

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hispanicontheright said...

Silly to blame the republicans. Dems own the senate. I think you should look to your own people because their the ones you need to convince. Republicans know this bill sucks.

Here's the crappy bill libs. Read it and tell me what's so good about it.

http://democrats.senate.gov/reform/patient-protection-affordable-care-act.pdf

RayGun said...

"Republicans know one other thing: Practically nobody is noticing their delay-to-kill strategy. Who wants to discuss legislative procedure when there's so much fun and profit in psychoanalyzing Sarah Palin?"
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Palin is their party. And the majority of their party are religious nuts. And if you vote for a nut, seems to me, you are responsible for said nuts actions.

RayGun said...

"I hate to rely on the most overused categories in punditry, but they really do apply here. Some administrations are staffed by hedgehogs, who are guided by a few core principles. But this one is staffed by foxes, who respond flexibly to situations. In the administration’s first big test, that sort of pragmatism paid off."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/20/opinion/20brooks.html?hp

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Brooks is a referring to Isaiah Berlins, The Hedgehog and the Fox. And the cons and progressives fit those 2 euphemisms perfectly. Cons by definition like the old ways, and there is only one way in their world (the hedgehog) while the progressives adapt and change according to the circumstances (fox). Perfect.

Anonymous said...

The author of the article is right on!!

Cons are manipulators and stoop so low that everyone with an open mind can see that. Except of course if you're a con. lol

Anon2

Casey said...

Now, I don't know about hedgehogs and foxes, but I don't get what is so "old fashioned" or "religious" about being against the healthcare bill because we can't afford it.
We don't need more spending, or higher taxes in a recession. We have a 12 Trillion $$ national debt, and this Bill will costs us another 24.5 Trillion according to the CBO and WhiteHouse.gov.
What is WRONG with you people?
Do you NOT understand basic economics?

RayGun said...

Cut defense to pay for it.

But the con terrorists has everyone so scared of their own shadows, it won't happen.

Or raise gasoline taxes, to pay for the negative health affects gas emissions cause.

And half of that twelve trillion came from w and RayGun. 5 trillion from w and about 1.5 trillion from RagGun. And back in RayGuns day, a trillion was real money.

RayGun said...

Or how about we raise taxes from 15 percent of the cons precious profits from their default credit swaps and synthetic derivatives and their precious hedge fund managers to pay for health care?

hispanicontheright said...

Great health care bill. Get it or go to jail!! Maybe that's one reason the republicans are fighting it. More importantly, maybe that's why the bluedog democrats are against it. Dems fighting dems. I love it. And all the while libs blame republicans. Haha.

Go ahead dems. Pass it. I dare you!! You have enough votes to pass it on your own. It must kill CJP and RG to know that dems own the house and still can't pass it. HAHA.

hispanicontheright said...

RayGun said...
Or how about we raise taxes from 15 percent of the cons precious profits from their default credit swaps and synthetic derivatives and their precious hedge fund managers to pay for health care?


Here's an idea RG. Why don't you pay for your own?? Don't worry about me, I'll pay for my own.

RayGun said...

"Here's an idea RG. Why don't you pay for your own?? Don't worry about me, I'll pay for my own. "
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Why don't you prolific God obeying cons pay for your own kids and I'll pay for my own.

hispanicontheright said...

"Why don't you prolific God obeying cons pay for your own kids and I'll pay for my own."

Nice come back from CutandpasteGun. I'll let you babble on now. Let me know when you have a good point.
I will say that nobody ever gave me nothing for my 3 kids. You must be talking about the people libs created social programs for.

RayGun said...

"I will say that nobody ever gave me nothing for my 3 kids"
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Hey dumbass, I have been paying property taxes which 50 percent goes to schools. And Im pretty sure I pay some federal dollars go to pay dumb ass kids schools.

hispanicontheright said...

RG you dumb piece of shit!! Good for you. You must be the only asshole to pay taxes. lol. I laugh at your lack of intelligence. LOL

RayGun said...

Yes, I pay for your dumb ass kids schooling and they're still as dumb as you I bet. What a waste of money. LOL

hispanicontheright said...

AholeGun. why complain about paying taxes? You're all for Obama with his out of control spending.

hispanicontheright said...

RayGun said...
Yes, I pay for your dumb ass kids schooling and they're still as dumb as you I bet.


Oh you want to talk about my kids asshole? I bet your woman screwed the mailman and your raising his kids. LOL.

hispanicontheright said...

I really wish you payed for my kids since your paying for the mailmans kids.

hispanicontheright said...

RG, I bet you were socially promoted.

RayGun said...

I don't have kids you dumbass. So your kids are the illegitimate ones. I bet your kids are your brothers, and your wife is your sister. Baaaahhhaaaaa haaaaaa, cough, cough, I have to quit laughing so hard.

hispanicontheright said...

I knew you were too dumb to have kids. No wonder you praise Obama. You don't understand us normal people with children and the costs that come with it. You lonely, lonely man. I bet you have a muscular right arm. LOL.
NobodywantsmeGun. Awwww poor SloppysecondsGun. LOL

hispanicontheright said...

HairypalmsGun. lol

hispanicontheright said...

ImadickGun. lol

RayGun said...

Sister licker hotr. With the dumb ugly kids. Didnt anyone teach your stupid ass, that marrying your own sister could cause problems? Bahhhh, haaaaa haaaaa/

hispanicontheright said...

RayGun said...
Sister licker hotr. With the dumb ugly kids. Didnt anyone teach your stupid ass, that marrying your own sister could cause problems? Bahhhh, haaaaa haaaaa/


RG your intelligence has won the day. You have shown us all that you are superior. Sorry but I'm not in the mood and I want to address real conversation.

RayGun said...

Ok, lets talk about why cons are so selfish that we can't provide health care to all our citizens, like every other industrialized country?

They're only talking about 100 billion per year.

hispanicontheright said...

RayGun said...
Ok, lets talk about why cons are so selfish that we can't provide health care to all our citizens, like every other industrialized country?

They're only talking about 100 billion per year.


Simple. I don't want to give up my health care. I like it and I gladly pay for it.

hispanicontheright said...

RG, why don't we talk about why the dems want to put people in jail if the don't get health care. I'm curious because you love to talk about how republicans are telling you what to do. Dems are telling us we'll put in jail if we don't do as they say. That is "telling people what to do." Please tell me why that's ok with you.

RayGun said...

"Simple. I don't want to give up my health care. I like it and I gladly pay for it. "

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There you go again. A Palinista. Making shit up. No one is proposing taking HOTRs health care.

RayGun said...

I doubt its true HOTR. I heard of fines is about all.

What about the death panels HOTR, aren't you scared of them?

hispanicontheright said...

The Congressional Budget office says that eventually private companies won't be able to compete.

hispanicontheright said...

RayGun said...
I doubt its true HOTR. I heard of fines is about all.


Pelosi and Obama admitted it RG.

RayGun said...

Links plz.

hispanicontheright said...

"What about the death panels HOTR, aren't you scared of them?"


The government is already telling women they don't need to check for breast cancer until age 50. Getting them ready for health care bill. That is called "rationed care" which people refer to as death panels.

hispanicontheright said...

RayGun said...
Links plz.


Look for it yourself. Everytime I send you something you disregard it.

hispanicontheright said...

RayGun said...
I doubt its true HOTR. I heard of fines is about all.


This is funny. You "doubt" it. Like CJP and his wishful thinking. While you doubt it people will be going to jail.

hispanicontheright said...

RayGun said...
I doubt its true HOTR. I heard of fines is about all.


Let's say that fines is all they got. How is this good for the people who are going thru hard times right now?

RayGun said...

Ok HOTR, why aren't you up in arms about going to jail for not paying taxes? Just look at having to have health care as just another tax.

RayGun said...

The government will provide the money to buy health care if you can't afford it.

RayGun said...

"The government is already telling women they don't need to check for breast cancer until age 50. Getting them ready for health care bill. That is called "rationed care" which people refer to as death panels."
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And now the insurance companies will not pay for the checkups. They are the death panels. BS arguments coming from Palins whacko side of the fence.

hispanicontheright said...

RayGun said...
Ok HOTR, why aren't you up in arms about going to jail for not paying taxes? Just look at having to have health care as just another tax.


This is going to jail for not paying for the "government health care" not a tax. What else are we going to put people in jail for if they don't do what the gov says? Sounds like you dems are telling us what to do. Sound familiar?

hispanicontheright said...

And now the insurance companies will not pay for the checkups. They are the death panels. BS arguments coming from Palins whacko side of the fence.


Not paying for checkups?? Where is that happening?

RayGun said...

You're not crying about the gov putting you in jail for not paying taxes, just pretend mandatory health care is just another tax. Does that make it easier?

RayGun said...

Not paying for checkups?? Where is that happening?
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Comon, think. They insurance companies will soon quite paying for boob checkups because they are not longer recommended. Can a woman get the insurance company to pay for 6 boob checkups a year? No. Then the insurance companies are rationing health care and are in affect death panels according to retarded logic.

hispanicontheright said...

RayGun said...
You're not crying about the gov putting you in jail for not paying taxes, just pretend mandatory health care is just another tax. Does that make it easier?


Why don't we pretend that food is a tax? Maybe we can pretend that talking a walk is a tax? How about speaking being a tax? Are libs that tax hungry that they "pretend" everything is a tax?

RayGun said...

HOTR, and even if you opt in to a gov health plan, and want to pay for a procedure the plan may not pay for (like a sex change operation) you can pay out of pocket.

RayGun said...

"Are libs that tax hungry that they "pretend" everything is a tax?"

JFC HOTR your paying health care now. Why the fk should you care about paying, if your paying anyway?

hispanicontheright said...

"Comon, think. They insurance companies will soon quite paying for boob checkups because they are not longer recommended."

If they company follows that then why would Obama recommend it. He apparently wants them to stop paying for them.
They pay once a year period. Obama is the one who's trying to tell women to delay it to age 50 and do it once every 2 years. Blame him.

"Can a woman get the insurance company to pay for 6 boob checkups a year?"

This is just being silly. Why should a company pay for 6 a year. They pay for one and that is better than Obama's plan of delaying it and doing it once every 2 years.

RayGun said...

Forget it. I can't reason with you.

hispanicontheright said...

"JFC HOTR your paying health care now. Why the fk should you care about paying, if your paying anyway?"


Because the government will do to health care the same they did to banks and car companies. They don't know how to run anything. They can barely run the government. Do you really think they can run health care when they can't ever give enought swine flu shots?

hispanicontheright said...

RayGun said...
Forget it. I can't reason with you.


I agree with you.

RayGun said...

Unpaid Wash. medical bills near $1 billion per year.

OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) - Washington's insurance commissioner says unpaid medical bills in the state will cost about $1 billion a year by 2011.

And many of those costs get passed along to people who do have insurance. Insurance Commissioner Mike Kreidler says the average family pays about $917 a year in added costs. He calls that a "hidden tax."

A new report from Kreidler also says there will soon be about 1 million Washingtonians without health coverage.

He's advocating for national health care reform, which Republicans and Democrats are busy hashing out in Washington, D.C.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/70582827.html

Anonymous said...

GOP's blockade? Definitely!!

Just heard on CNN that the govt wants to create an agency with a real bite to protect consumers against bad business practices instead of the 7 existing ones that don't have any power.

The CONS are of course against it. Don't the CONS have any consumers who voted for them? What is that party made of?

CONS, don't bite the hands of the people who feed (voted for) you. Or do the CONS love to be bitten???

This shows where the CONS priorities lie eh?

Read up on the interest rates that the beloved USA banks are jacking up prior to the new law that will go in effect next year.

The CONS don't even want to protect their own voters against those hikes right now. Don't CONS carry credit cards?

Why does a CONS party even exist? They're totally against their own voters and them dumb CONS don't even realize it. Hear and read up on the news about all the stuff.

Anon2

Casey said...

OMG you guys---get a grip. Cutting defense spending at a time when North Korea and Iran are flexing their muscles is just not realistic.
Tax gas? (more) Tax everything else? They are already talking about taxing our electric and gas bills, junk food, meat, and just abut everything else. Guess that doesn't bother you? To work your ass off everyday to have the government take so much of it?
WOW. You must be independantly wealthly!
By the way-No one gets 6 breast exams or mamograms per year. 1 per year is reccommended, and paid for by insurance companies. Ins would rather pay for early detection than for a stage 3 or 4 illness.
HOTR is right. This new idea to wait until after 50 is a cost cutting measure designed by the govt to prepare for govt healthcare. You will find alot of these "new studies" to come while the govt prepares for National Healthcare. Sounds like rationing to me

RayGun said...

"Guess that doesn't bother you? To work your ass off everyday to have the government take so much of it?"
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Good GD God, you people with kids aren't paying any taxes as you have so many write offs. I am paying all the taxes. Quit bitching or quit having so many kids.

RayGun said...

All cons do is complain that they know best. Seven hundred billion on defense. All those GD fighter planes that will fight who for air superiority? All those tanks that will fight who for ground superiority. On and on. You cons have not shown nothing, except the fact that you have the miraculous ability to be wrong about absolutely everything.

You cons still calling for more tax cuts for the rich, to fix all our economic woes?

Casey said...

My kids are grown. I don't have any write-offs but I still pay enough taxes on gas, sales, property, etc. I just dont think that we need MORE taxes than what we are paying already. Nice that you wont mind. You must ride your bike and eat only fruits and veggies,right? Do you live where it gets really cold?
What about that new additional tax in Calif? 10% more? Because the spending has been out of control.

Casey said...

Hey-New numbers for ratings:

CABLE NEWS RACE
NOV. 19, 2009

FOXNEWS O'REILLY/PALIN 4,120,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 2,871,000
FOXNEWS BECK 2,730,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 2,359,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 2,113,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 2,078,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,188,000
CNNHN GRACE 1,018,000
CNN KING 980,000
MSNBC MADDOW 877,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 597,000
CNN COOPER 585,000
Must be pretty scary for you liberals, huh?

hispanicontheright said...

RayGun said...
All cons do is complain that they know best. Seven hundred billion on defense. All those GD fighter planes that will fight who for air superiority? All those tanks that will fight who for ground superiority. On and on. You cons have not shown nothing, except the fact that you have the miraculous ability to be wrong about absolutely everything.


Amazing logic. Why don't we just give the libs all of our money?

hispanicontheright said...

Casey said...
Hey-New numbers for ratings:

CABLE NEWS RACE
NOV. 19, 2009

FOXNEWS O'REILLY/PALIN 4,120,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 2,871,000
FOXNEWS BECK 2,730,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 2,359,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 2,113,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 2,078,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,188,000
CNNHN GRACE 1,018,000
CNN KING 980,000
MSNBC MADDOW 877,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 597,000
CNN COOPER 585,000
Must be pretty scary for you liberals, huh?


Nice job Casey!! The libs are being left behind and they don't even realize it. lol

RayGun said...

I have the highest efficiceny furnace you can buy that I know of. 96 percent. I also have a heat pump that I can switch to when I want to use electricity to heat the house rather than gas. My total gas and elec was 270.00 last month for a 2700 sq ft home. Business deduction pays for some of that also. Plus 5 pond pumps is probably 80 of the 200 or so electric bill. (elec 200, gas 70 approx).

We drive very little. Work at home.

I agree, Firemen, Police, government pay, etc, needs to come down or lay some offs. No new taxes, as those guys make enough already.

I think we are in big trouble (USA). No one is willing to cut. The government will have to print money, and hyper inflation will ensue.

Osama Bin Laden, said the whole reason for attacking the west was to bankrupt us. Without Iraq, he wouldn't of even come close. But we are very close because of w invading Iraq. Thanks cons for voting for w.

hispanicontheright said...

Thanks dems for spending more and more money. It's funny how they say the US economy is in serious financial trouble but they keep spending like there's no tomorrow. I wish us regular people could live like the government. I'd be able to max all my credit cards to the limit. Then all I have to do is open a new credit card and max that one too. Yeah....libs..

hispanicontheright said...

I think we are in big trouble (USA). No one is willing to cut.

RG, who is not willing to cut? We are all cutting back. It's only the libs in government that keep spending.

RayGun said...

"It's only the libs in government that keep spending. "
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Comon HOTEY, what did w ever cut? Nothing. W just borrowed money. So did RayGun. Biggest borrowers of all time.

hispanicontheright said...

RayGun said...
"It's only the libs in government that keep spending. "
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Comon HOTEY, what did w ever cut? Nothing. W just borrowed money. So did RayGun. Biggest borrowers of all time.


I love how the libs do this all the time. You make a statement and then a minute later you back off on it. Here is your statement:

"I think we are in big trouble (USA). No one is willing to cut. The government will have to print money, and hyper inflation will ensue."

We are all cutting back. The Obama administration is not.

RayGun said...

"We are all cutting back. The Obama administration is not. "
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Who is "we all"? People, regular citizens?

hispanicontheright said...

RayGun said...
"We are all cutting back. The Obama administration is not. "
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Who is "we all"? People, regular citizens?


Yes, regular Americans are cutting back. I'm not talking about pretend people or pretend taxes. The Obama admin justs keep spending.

Casey said...

Ah, regular people are being forced to! Over 2 Trillion more dollars spent since Obama took over. Sorry. Highest rate of spending so far.

Casey said...

By the way. Are the ratings starting to scare you? People are dissatisfied and are going to make a REAL change in the congress, the senate, ...

hispanicontheright said...

No wonder Sarah Palin gave him
a "4" out of 10 for his job performance. LOL. She was being generous.

RayGun said...

"Yes, regular Americans are cutting back. "
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Why are they cutting back HOTR? Because the cons pushed them to spend and now they are tapped out. Or they are out of jobs.

Do you know what the unemployment would be right now without government intervention? Do you realize how close w et al brought the world to complete financial ruin? Brought us there through lack of regulation and borrowing and lying about reasons to go to war. Just to begin.

hispanicontheright said...

"Do you know what the unemployment would be right now without government intervention?"

I don't know but Obama clearly said if he spend a large sum of taxpayers money then unemployment would stop at 8%. It's over 10% now. I wonder why you have never questioned it?

RayGun said...

Guys, I am moving to New Zealand if anything close to w gets in office again. If Palin even comes close to getting in office I am moving.

Did you see the report that New Zealand was ranked number 1 in lack of corruption? Afghanistan was ranked second to last and the US around number 17.

hispanicontheright said...

"Did you see the report that New Zealand was ranked number 1 in lack of corruption? Afghanistan was ranked second to last and the US around number 17."

I believe it. Senator from Louisiana just got 13 for corruption, Charlie Rangel is still in Congress. When are you libs going to call Rangel out? Are you just going to keep ignoring him?

RayGun said...

Let the law take care of corruption not Faux news.

RayGun said...

Comon cons, whats the solution. Quit spending. Good God. Ok lets quit spending on Gd defense. Are we worried about invasion from Iran or Korea or ??? We don't need the conventional military that we have now to deal with those threats. Times have changed cons. Be more like foxes and adapt.

RayGun said...

I swear to God you cons are like Palin (to me) depicted below:

While hosting the Ad Council Annual Dinner Wednesday night, "30 Rock" creator Tina Fey brought back her famous impersonation of former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin.

"Mrs. Palin and I continue to have so much in common," she said. "They recently made a porn movie about Sarah and then this same porn actress, Lisa Ann, played me in a parody of '30 Rock' ... And weirdly of the three of us, Lisa Ann knows the most about foreign policy."

"I feel like Sarah Palin right now," she said later, gesturing at her teleprompters. "It's not that hard." She went into her Palin voice, saying, "We'll begin with an issue that's so critical to the future opportunity ..." When the audience laughed, she added, "I'm gonna be doing that 'till I'm dead."

hispanicontheright said...

RayGun said...
Let the law take care of corruption not Faux news.


Ok, when are we getting rid of Charlie Rangel?

RayGun said...

"Ok, when are we getting rid of Charlie Rangel? "
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Not even on my radar, nor most rest of the US. Only Faux News Rubes radar.

Hey good name, "Faux Rube News". No one believes the birther crap, the tea bag sucker crap, trickle down, etc.

hispanicontheright said...

RayGun said...
"Ok, when are we getting rid of Charlie Rangel? "
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Not even on my radar, nor most rest of the US. Only Faux News Rubes radar.


You mean that the guy that is in charge of telling you how to pay your taxes is committing tax fraud and that is not on your radar? And Sarah Palin is? How is that possible? Don't you think he should be gone?

hispanicontheright said...

"Hey good name, "Faux Rube News". No one believes the birther crap, the tea bag sucker crap, trickle down, etc."

That's why FOX gets killer ratings. While lib media ignores Rangel, FOX gives us the truth. Keep watching your no news lib shows before they go off the air.

RayGun said...

"And Sarah Palin is? How is that possible? Don't you think he should be gone?"
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Yes we have seen what damage w did to the country, Palkin would be worse.

Not sure what Rankel even did. Was he born in Kenya, and is lying about it?

RayGun said...

"While lib media ignores Rangel, FOX gives us the truth."
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Yeah the truth. Like Palkins truth. He is coming back. I talk to him. You will all burn in hell ferever. That kind of truth?

hispanicontheright said...

RayGun said...
"While lib media ignores Rangel, FOX gives us the truth."
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Yeah the truth. Like Palkins truth. He is coming back. I talk to him. You will all burn in hell ferever. That kind of truth?


No, I mean like the Charlie Rangel commiting fraud on his last 10 tax returns and then votes to raise taxes for us regular that pay them for him. That kind of truth.

hispanicontheright said...

"Not sure what Rankel even did. Was he born in Kenya, and is lying about it?"

Of course you don't know. You watch lib media that hides fraud from democrat politicians.

RayGun said...

I don't watch any news media. I read a lot of media, never watch.

Let the courts handle it.

hispanicontheright said...

RayGun said...
I don't watch any news media. I read a lot of media, never watch.

Let the courts handle it.


Let the courts handle what? The democrat congress won't even investigate him.

RayGun said...

BB, where are ye? The only thing BB is a little crazy on is abortion (I think he has some God issues that need deciding). You other cons are not crazy about God, but crazy about everything else. What a group.

hispanicontheright said...

RayGun said...
BB, where are ye? The only thing BB is a little crazy on is abortion (I think he has some God issues that need deciding). You other cons are not crazy about God, but crazy about everything else. What a group.


Crazy about everything else? Aren't you against corruption in government?

RayGun said...

"The democrat congress won't even investigate him"
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I dunno what to tell you. Go tell it to a priest maybe?

hispanicontheright said...

RayGun said...
"The democrat congress won't even investigate him"
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I dunno what to tell you. Go tell it to a priest maybe?


Your non-concern for an unlawful politician is really conforting.

RayGun said...

See funny, corruption. We were all screaming about Cheney, Haliburton, Blackwater, the oil companies, secret meetings, trillion dollar deals.

You guys are whining about, what, million dollar issues?

Do you see the difference?

RayGun said...

"Your non-concern for an unlawful politician is really conforting. "
--
Are you talking about Obama and the birthers again? It's a lie. Another con lie, distortion, whatever you want to call it.

hispanicontheright said...

RayGun said...
"Your non-concern for an unlawful politician is really conforting. "
--
Are you talking about Obama and the birthers again? It's a lie. Another con lie, distortion, whatever you want to call it.


WTF are you talking about? Who gives a crap where Obama was born? I'm talking Rangel. A real criminal.

Casey said...

Okay RayGun, tonight I think that you have been smokin somethin'---WTF???
You think the Tina Fey thing is relevant? Are you basing your opinion of Palin on Tina Fey routines?
Not even sure what Rangle is guilty of? Whoa! This is some basic shit. I think that if you knew some of this stuff, you might be a bit pissed off

hispanicontheright said...

RG doesn't want to know about it. Democrats can do whatever they want in his opinion. He doesn't care that they are criminals telling us what to do. It's obvious why he hates FOX.

RayGun said...

'WTF are you talking about? Who gives a crap where Obama was born? I'm talking Rangel. A real criminal. "
--
Faux News and Lou Dobbs, and their rube followers, are the only ones care where Obama was born. Are you missing my mockery?

Casey said...

Tell me the truth, RayGun. Are you a liberal because it is the "in" thing to do? Do you really base your political opinions on what Hollywood says?

hispanicontheright said...

"Are you missing my mockery?"

Not really. You make no sense.

Casey said...

If you watched more Fox News, you would know what Rangel has done

RayGun said...

Case honey, no one tells me anything. Or rather lots of people tell me something but I filter out the repetition. You cons following? You only know one thing. Your are hedgehogs.

Casey said...

I dont know HOTR. I think it's hopeless. I think RG is a very nice person that is very misguided. He appears to be caught up in Liberal World, where all you do is spout talking points

hispanicontheright said...

r rather lots of people tell me something but I filter out the repetition.


You just filter the truth.

RayGun said...

"If you watched more Faux News, you would know what Rangel has done "
--
And I would know Iraq had WMDs, Obama was born in Kenya, the pea partiers like dipping their tea bags in others mouths (really, look up the definition, its really sick).

Casey said...

No one tells you anything? How can you filter if you only read or listen to 1 side?

hispanicontheright said...

I agree Casey. I feel sorry for him sometimes. I gotta go. See you next time.

Casey said...

You Libs came up with that little "tea-bagger" gem, and yes, I know what it means

RayGun said...

Case, again, if you get the Palkins, the w's, probably Huckabee, pretty sure Romney, out of your party, I might be on board. But all your leaders, the ones just mentioned, all believe in imaginary beings, and that's not good.

RayGun said...

Case, honey, how can I listen to anyone who votes for people who believe in imaginary beings?

Casey said...

So you only vote for Atheists? What about Obama? He claims to be a Christian. You wouldn't have liked Kennedy, he was a Catholic, and Dr King was a Baptist...

Casey said...

Oh Putin is an Atheist. So is Castro and Chavez. Would you vote for them? Your argument makes no sense, RG

Casey said...

Oh and Chairman Mao, Stalin, and Hitler, more fine examples of people that don't believe n imaginary beings.
There was Mother Theresa, she was a real terrible person...

RayGun said...

Comon, we all know Obama, all Democrats, really do not believe in Him. Carter was the last Dem that really showed, to disastrous results, that he really believed in Him.

RayGun said...

I liked Mother Theresa. She actually did what the imaginary being told her to do. Why can't other cons follow her?

RayGun said...

"I liked Mother Theresa. She actually did what the imaginary being told her to do."
--
Case, in case you didn't know, the imaginary being tells you to help the poor more than anything else, except to worship Him.

Anonymous said...

HOTR said...
"While lib media ignores Rangel, FOX gives us the truth. Keep watching your no news lib shows before they go off the air."

Watch this: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=45a_1237615688

CON paranoia... well said Bill Maher!

Anon2

RayGun said...

GD Anon2, I really like Bill Mayers.

Super funny guy.

Plus I totally agree with his Religulous.

Cons tend to be so God damn dumb on religious matters.

Anonymous said...

I have returned to tell Americans what to do. Living in Canada makes me an authority on America. You Americans are dumb and I am super duper smart.

Anon2

Anonymous said...

Yes RayGun. We are superior to the cons.

Anon2

RayGun said...

"You Americans are dumb and I am super duper smart."
--
I agree Anon2. Maybe get a real name though.

Anonymous said...

RayGun said...
"You Americans are dumb and I am super duper smart."
--
I agree Anon2. Maybe get a real name though.

Don't tell me what to do RayGun!
I am superior to even you.

Anon2

RayGun said...

Hey Anon2, try using the name Anon2?

Anonymous said...

RayGun said...
Comon, we all know Obama, all Democrats, really do not believe in Him.


Obama went to church all the years for nothing. He is a liar! The cons will never figure that out.

Anon2

RayGun said...

Sorry Anon2, I didn't mean to disparage your wisdom and dare to tell you what to do. We, the ones living in the USA, leave that up to the cons to tell us to do.

RayGun said...

All politicians are lyers, that claim to believe in HIM, except of course Carter.

Anonymous said...

RayGun said...
All politicians are lyers, that claim to believe in HIM


I wish we could end this farce. Abolish all churches.

Anon2

RayGun said...

Not sure abolish is such a good word. Cons will love that one, ironically.

Anonymous said...

What's the difference? That is what we want, isn't it?

Anon2

RayGun said...

"What's the difference? That is what we want, isn't it?"
--
yah, but cons are simple minded, and once you say "abolish" they will claim you are trying to tell them what to do, even though they try and use what we are trying to abolish, to tell us what to do.

GD, I sometimes don't like cons.

Anonymous said...

Who cares what they think? Liberals need to just tell cons what to do.

Anon2

RayGun said...

"Who cares what they think? Liberals need to just tell cons what to do."
--
See Anon2 Im not really sure if thats you above, or the incredibly evil HOTR, stealing your name "Anon2".

Thats why we ask that you get a real google name. Try "Anon2"

Casey said...

Obama went to church all the years for nothing. He is a liar! The cons will never figure that out.

Okay. I agree with you on this one. Obama is a big fat liar!
Anon2, I don't like to name call, but you seem to be a real jackass.

Anonymous said...

RayGun said; You are trully a Idiot I have 4 kids and my wife and I are in good jobs we make about 185,000 a year and I will tell you our tax rate is 47% on the fed and 24% on the state and add in the 5,000 plus, we pay in property tax for our home and now with health care we are looking at an increase of another 12% in state and Fed. when will it all stop when nobody has a dime. And before you go nuts with the well you make enough you can afford to pay more well let me tell you this when was the last time you bought a needy child a winter coat my bet is you never have my wife and I buy 20 of them evey year, when was the last time you bought Christmas gifts for people you dont even know, well my wife and I do that for every kid we by coats for every year and many more things that you would have no consept of I would think, and I can already guess the responce from your Idiotic fingers you and your wife do this to clean your conscience well you could not be more wrong we do this because we both grew up dirt poor my wife was 1 of 10 kids and work 2 jobs to get herself through college and I was raised on a farm and served in the Army and went to college on the G.I. bill after I was discharged for wounds I got while serving in Beirut Lebanon when the Embassy was blown up we worked hard to get where we are today and when we do these things for these kids they have no idea who did this for them we just put a card on the things (From Santa) and ring the door bell and leave. And buddy nobody ever gave me a bloody dime for my kids I will bet you your tax return gets you a refund every year nad as for mine and my wifes well we have to sit down a write a check every year to pay for you tax refund. Also I will say this if the Fed and my State would back off by 10% each we would be able to afford to by 1 family haelth insurance for a year and would gladly do that every year if it ment Government would get out of all of our life's

RayGun said...

JC Anonymous, you sound like a nut. I think you are HOTR.

Anonymous said...

I sound like a nut ? why is that because we do what you think the Govenment should do? Or is it that we show a sence of responsibility to our community? Or we show a sence of compassion for those who are in need like we were when we both were kid's?

Anonymous said...

F HOTR!! Grow some balls RayGun and say what is really on your mind. The cons need to understand what it is we are trying to accomplish. That's why you haven't got health care yet. It's great up in Canada. I only have to wait for a little while to get care.

Anon2

Casey said...

Okay. Now I am really confused. I am not sure who you are Anon, and I thought you lived in Canada? Maybe it's the long, run on sentences, or the inconsistancy...If you don't believe in God, wnat are you doing celebrating Xmas? Isn't that a bit hypocritical of you?

Anonymous said...

2nd Anonymouse is not me

RayGun said...

Get a name Anon2, HOTey is fucking with you I think. I'm not sure, none of us are sure, the truth is ...

RayGun said...

Get a fkin name anon2.

Anonymous said...

RayGun you're dissapointing me. I thought we were on the same wave length.

Anon2

RayGun said...

"RayGun you're dissapointing me. I thought we were on the same wave length.

Anon2 "

See Anon2, thats the evil HOTR. He's commandeering your good name. I think anyway.

Anonymous said...

Forget it RayGun. I knew you weren't a real liberal.

Anon2

Casey said...

What the Hell are you "trying to accomplish? And I agree with RG...you are sounding like a bit of a nut. Not sure what side you are on???

RayGun said...

JC Case, get ready for a ride, figuratively speaking...

Anonymous said...

I don't know who anonymous is. I am anon2. Check the signatures please. I am an original.

anon2

Casey said...

Okay RG. This is getting CREEPY.

hispanicontheright said...

Casey, darling, I am hot for you honey.

I know I am hispanic, as you can tell by my name, and I am married, but I dont care, i want you.

Anonymous said...

HOTR!! Where have you been hiding?

Anon2

Casey said...

You are too funny! So who and what is REALLY going on? Were you pretending to be Anon2 or whatever??

hispanicontheright said...

Its a fking riot. And Casey has not a clue.

Anonymous said...

Let me clear it up for you I am a strict constitutionlist and want the Govenment to be fiscally responsible and anyone that thinks adding 24.2 Trillion to the deficit is not responsible. I would like to ask a question and get a honest responce please. If you were struggling to pay your bills every month would you go out and buy a $50,000 car. If the answer is no than why is it ok for the government to do it

Anon 1

Anonymous said...

HOTR you fake. Who is impersonating you? I want the real deal!!

Anon2

Casey said...

You're right. I have no clue what is going on...All of a sudden there seemed to be this total jackass named Anon or Anon2 that was going on some kind of anon rant, and it was incoherant as Hell!

hispanicontheright said...

Fk you anon1, you suck big tomatoes.

Anonymous said...

Hispanic!! I demand you show your true self!! I love putting dumb cons in their place.

Anon2

Anonymous said...

All I want to know is HOW DO WE PAY FOR IT

Anon1

Anonymous said...

All the people will pay for it
Anon1. You included.

Anon2

Casey said...

Okay you Anon's are getting confusing. Can't you go by Billy Bob, or Norma Jean, or whatever. There is no need to be annon. It isn't like we are asking for last names and addresses!

Anonymous said...

Hey fake HOTR! Are you a spic too?

Anon2

hispanicontheright said...

"All I want to know is HOW DO WE PAY FOR IT"
--
Casey, you need to help us pay. We know the libs like sex, and we know they are generally straight, so we need your help. Butt, if you are really a guy, in drag, so to say, then thats ok also. I understand.

Anonymous said...

HOTR is this really you? Prove it. Say something really conservative so I can show you my intelligence.

Anon2

Casey said...

Okay RG. This isn't the real HOTR. I am not sure who this looser is!

RayGun said...

"Okay RG. This isn't the real HOTR. I am not sure who this looser is!"
--
Pretty sure its the real HOTEY, You just don't get it.

Uhh, take things with a grain of salt....

Anonymous said...

Racial slurs is not needed here I am asking a serious question and you answer with ("are you a spic too") what is wrong with you. This debt will affect your grand children. As for the every body will be taxed answer WE ALREADY ARE TAXED how much more do you think we can afford.

Anon1

RayGun said...

"Racial slurs is not needed here I am asking a serious question and you answer with ("are you a spic too") what is wrong with you. This debt will affect your grand children. As for the every body will be taxed answer WE ALREADY ARE TAXED how much more do you think we can afford."
--
Thanks, the real HOTR, for you comments.

RayGun said...

Do you cons get it?

Take things with a grain of salt....

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Racial slurs is not needed here I am asking a serious question and you answer with ("are you a spic too") what is wrong with you. This debt will affect your grand children. As for the every body will be taxed answer WE ALREADY ARE TAXED how much more do you think we can afford.

I won't pay for it. I live in Canada. I just know what's best for the US.

Anon2

RayGun said...

"Take things with a grain of salt.... "
--

Fk u HOTR, I did not say that

RayGun said...

Fk you GD HOTR, the Casey is mine. And quit using my name, you Anon2

RayGun said...

See Case, how easily reality is altered?

Casey said...

Until you guys go back to being who you are, I am not playing. :)

Anonymous said...

I guess at the end of the day there are only two questions. The first one being How do we pay for all this Debt we are running and the second question is if this health care bill is so great why is the Congress exempt from it I would think they should be the first people on it. Also it may intrest all of you to know that the so called Cadillac plans are to be taxed at 40% oh by the way Congress is exempt from that too. Any thoughts about that.

RayGun said...

Figure it out Case. The HOTR is talking about HE ll.

Let the horses run free.

Bono. BB, hates it's all.

RayGun said...

"I guess at the end of the day there are only two questions. The first one being How do we pay for all this Debt we are running and the second question is if this health care bill is so great why is the Congress exempt from it I would think they should be the first people on it. Also it may intrest all of you to know that the so called Cadillac plans are to be taxed at 40% oh by the way Congress is exempt from that too. Any thoughts about that. "

--
Case, above is the HHoTee

RayGun said...

Let the horses run free.

Bono. BB, hates it's all.

Anonymous said...

I guess at the end of the day there are only two questions. The first one being How do we pay for all this Debt we are running and the second question is if this health care bill is so great why is the Congress exempt from it I would think they should be the first people on it. Also it may intrest all of you to know that the so called Cadillac plans are to be taxed at 40% oh by the way Congress is exempt from that too. Any thoughts about that.


Im asking anyone that thinks this is right to please debate these issues. if you cant do that or want to talk about some of the things you are talking about please go to a porn chat room and knock yourselfs out.

Anon1

Casey said...

if you cant do that or want to talk about some of the things you are talking about please go to a porn chat room and knock yourselfs out.

WOW...First of all, you don't have to be hostile. I wasn't aware that anyone was being trashy.
I agree with you about the debt, so I cannot debate you.

RayGun said...

Hey crazy cons, who wants to bet against Obama doing another massive stimulus? He's saying no now, but I bet he does it. Thanks cons, for electing w and the lax banking regulations that caused all of this.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"I have returned to tell Americans what to do. Living in Canada makes me an authority on America. You Americans are dumb and I am super duper smart.

Anon2

November 20, 2009 7:08 PM"

This post and all subsequent ones under Anon2 and Anon1 are NOT mine.

HOTR loves to cheat.... after all he's a dumb CON impostor. Everyone on this forums knows that he impersonates me. LOL

Anon2 the REAL one.

PS: As a matter of fact, often people from other countries have a more objective view of what is happening in another country, especially if one is a neighbor and watching/hearing CNN daily for hours.

Anon2

RayGun said...

"As a matter of fact, often people from other countries have a more objective view of what is happening in another country"
--
I don't know Anon2, there are a lot in this country that agree completely with you. I think our cons are just a little light on brains. They're hedgehogs and only see the world one way. They tend to live in the past and don't realize times change and still see communists at every corner.

Anonymous said...

HOTR:

You're the Biggest Imposter that I have ever known. You probably cheat on your wife as well. LOL Doesn't bode well for you, the CONS, your wife and kids eh? People like you are never to be trusted.

Anon2

RayGun said...

Another reason I like Canadians, they say "eh" a lot. For some reason it's endearing. Sorry if I sound gay Anon2, I am not, although there is nothing wrong with being gay. Well, cons like to tell them otherwise.

Casey said...

We will have another stimulus pkg, because the WH keeps touting about how WELL it worked! More debt. More pork for the Senators and Congress. It goes on and on, business as usual in DC.
Both sides need to get a grip. All of them need to be thrown out!!!

RayGun said...

Unemployment will hit ? percent if they don't do another stimulus. They're saying the high rise offices are starting to go bust now and it could be worse than the housing bust.

Casey said...

Oh that is going to happen for sure. The vacancy rate in these office buildings is unbelievable!
The big problem is that the unemployment rate wasn't supposed to go above 8% with the last stimulas. Remember? Now we are at 10.2% and climbing. Then they want to throw in more taxes, and a Cap & Trade (that will drive more businesses to flee overseas), and we will all be FK'd

Casey said...

And I might add, as a Michigan resident, what was done to GM should be considered a scandal. Ended up going BK anyway, and now they are going to manufacture the autos in another state! More pork for that state (can't remember what southern state it is) Do you even doubt that someone got a big fat pork deal on that one?

Casey said...

Hey RG---(glad that weirdness of last nite is over)
Did you get that book yet?

RayGun said...

"big fat pork deal on that one"
--
That's how things get done, pork. I think congress would come to a standstill without it. McCaine brought up pork in the debates, and Obama countered all the pork combined is only around 18 billion.

Maybe the autos went to another state to counter the unions?

Casey said...

Oh, I bet that the pork is alot more than that!
No doubt that the Unions hurt GM bigtime. So why did we bail GM out? They said it was to avoid BK---but they had to go BK anyway. The bailout took care of the Unions. period. That seems kinda corrupt to me.

RayGun said...

McCaine didn't argue the point.

The autos were a tough call. Unemployment could of hit 20 percent.

I agree the unions should take a hit, 70 per hour is too much for monkey work. Not trying to offend anyone.

Casey said...

I agree with you! It made it impossible to compete. But Obama is pro-union, and he made sure that the union was taken care of, didn't he? (they were BIG contributors)
Before I moved to Michigan 2 years ago, I lived in Arizona forever--McCain has always wanted to reform the pork in DC.

Casey said...

Obama countered all the pork combined is only around 18 billion.

I don't know about you, but I think 18 Billion is alot of money---especially in these times. But is more than that. It is NOT in the best interest in the country as a whole when decisions are made and deals cut based on payoffs and returned favors.

RayGun said...

I thought the first McCaine that ran for president was the greatest thing since peanut butter. The one that ran last time I thought sucked bad. Especially after the Palin fiasco.

I think our divided government would never accomplish anything without pork.

Casey said...

yeah. The most recent McCain was not very impressive. I think he had some poor advisors. Then he was trying really, really hard to get past the Bush crap. He ISN'T at all another Bush. More liberal than Bush, actually.

RayGun said...

Yes, McCaine used to have a lot of common sense.

I never despised cons till w came to town. From day 1 I didn't like him. And I think I can usually tell how bad of president they would be by how crazy religious they are. I know Palin would be terrible. Not really sure about Huckabee or Romney, even though both supposedly pretty religious, neither seems as crazy or maybe it's as dumb w or Palin.

Casey said...

I like Huckabee. He is pretty common sense, and I think that he is pretty honest.
I don't like Obama and I don't like all of his Chicago friends. Way too much pay back of contributors and unqualified people being appointed. I think that he is way too Left and that is why people are starting to get upset. Might be backlash time

RayGun said...

I think Obama is the smartest president we have had in a long time. And he learns fast.

He obviously inherited a huge mess, one that has never really happened before. I think he better continue spending like a banshee, we certainly know any con would be. The only difference with a con, no health care.

Krugman has been correct all along, and he says we need more spending.

Casey said...

We need MORE spending? Now, how is that logical? The spending is killing us! The interest rates are going to skyrocket soon. They have to. Inflation will be unavoidable. That is how it works. It has already started in England with an almost 5% inflation rate this year. Their debt is out of control, too.
I don't see what you are seeing with Obama. I keep hearing about how smart and wonderful he is, but I haven't seen anything wonderful yet.
Geez RG...sometimes I think that you say things just to get me going!

RayGun said...

"Geez RG...sometimes I think that you say things just to get me going!"
--
LOL.

I am serious though. Krugman says we need it also, and he's a world class economist. Low unemployment will raise tax revenues won't it? We can't have 20 percent unemployment.

Lots of countries have a lot more debt to GDP ratio, Japan being one. Ours is around 74% and Japans is close to 180%. Double check me, but from what I have seen those percents keep reappearing.

Yes mam, we are going to get inflation. You should buy gold in case we get hyper inflation.

Casey said...

Many other economists disagree with him. To begin, the rates are being artificially held down by the fed. They can't do that forever. The more debt that we incure, the higher the risk we become to our lenders (China) and the higher the rate they will charge us for borrowing. That is when the rates climb and the inflation sets in. As our dollar devaluates, inflation is inevitable.

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