Defining the Second Great Depression
By Dylan Loewe
The Huffington Post -- February 3, 2010:
"From the moment he was sworn into office, President Obama had a pretty overwhelming task ahead of him. In that month, the economy lost 700,000 jobs. It lost nearly as many the month before. The credit markets had frozen; the financial institutions and auto industry would need undeserved bailouts. Saving the economy from a Second Great Depression would require an enormous effort, huge chunks of political capital, all with no guarantee that any of it would work.
A year later, it has worked. The Second Great Depression was averted. But no one seems to have noticed.
That's certainly understandable. Unemployment is still hovering at 10 percent. The president's budget forecast now predicts that unemployment won't drop below 10 percent until the end of 2010, and won't drop below 8 percent until the year 2012.
This straddles the administration with an especially difficult political problem. The economy is in a dramatically better place than it would have been without the administration's intervention. But because it is still in such a crummy spot, no one is giving the administration any credit.
That, by the way, seems to be as much the administration's fault as anyone else's. Anytime positive economic numbers are reported, administration officials are weary of taking a curtain call. When it was announced last week, for example, that the economy grew 5.7 percent in the fourth quarter of 2009 -- an extraordinary achievement -- Larry Summers described it as a "a statistical recovery and a human recession." The administration's talking points about the budget includes this point: "A year later, the economy is back from the brink -- and is growing again. But this economic growth is cold comfort for the millions of Americans who have lost their job."
All of this is understandable. From a political standpoint, the last thing the administration needs is to sound tone deaf on the economy, to give the Americans the impression that they believe the current state of affairs deserves a mission accomplished banner.
But there is also a substantial risk in having only one possible response to economic news, whether it's good or bad. That kind of dynamic makes it difficult, if not impossible, for voters to have any faith in the economic policies that have worked so effectively thus far.
The other problem is this: Having avoided a Second Great Depression is obviously a big deal. But it's totally abstract. It could have been worse, sure, but how much worse is unclear to almost everyone, even those who are dialed into the daily debate.
The Democrats cannot afford to spend the next two years with the same basic posture about economic progress, without having clearly defined for the American people exactly what it was that we avoided with the Obama economic program.
It won't be easy, but there are already some clear markers that can be used as jumping off points. For example, Hank Paulson, who served as President Bush's Treasury Secretary and who orchestrated the first round of bailouts, has said in recent interviews that, absent the bailouts, he believes the unemployment rate in the country would have hit 25 percent.
Twenty-five percent!
We know that the stimulus bill created or saved two million jobs. But Paulson is making a much grander argument. With a workforce of more than 150 million people, Paulson is suggesting that the administration's continuation of the TARP program saved almost 23 million jobs.
That's what the Second Great Depression would have looked like. Not 15 million people unemployed. Closer to 40 million.
We know that climbing out of the economic hole we find ourselves in is going to take years. We also know that during that time, Republicans will be able to capitalize on economic populist anger to maintain their still relatively weak grip on power.
But if Democrats can't stand up and clearly articulate the nightmare scenario we were saved from, while championing the progress we're making everyday, then the economic disaster that Republicans caused may well be the same disaster that helps them surge back into power."
Conservatives have Done It Before ---And They Can Do It Again! Watch your back, Everybody.
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"But if Democrats can't stand up and clearly articulate the nightmare scenario we were saved from"
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The last 8 years we cut taxes, reduced government, reduced regulation, and we had the lost decade and near financial collapse.
Now we have juiced up cons (lickers) saying all we need is the same but way more of it.
Now we have juiced up cons (lickers) saying all we need is the same but way more of it.-RG
Are we talking about the Massachusettes libs or the NJ libs?
"But if Democrats can't stand up and clearly articulate the nightmare scenario we were saved from"
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If what I was not clear earlier, what the left needs to say is:
The last 8 years the cons cut taxes, reduced government, reduced regulation, and we had the lost decade and a near financial collapse. Now they want more?
And the left needs to repeat it 10,000 times a day, just like the cons repeat their lies.
Obama said as much during his State speech. I dumbed it down a little as I think his words flew over the cons heads as I think my earlier ones did over HOTRS. I can't make it much simpler HOOTER.
USA credit rating going down the toilet. Thanks to President Obama. Massachusettes and New Jersey libs don't agree with CJP, RG or Obama. Obama LOST the blueest of the blue states. He had the house, the senate and the presidency. It's all coming down like a house of cards. Now democrats are criticizing him but all CutandPasteGun can do is blame it on Bush. Democrats had their chance and proved to the world their policies will ruin the world economy. 60 majority and they couldn't hold it. LMAO. Now Obama the jinx is going to help take out Harry Reid. He has already started by badmouthing Vegas. lol. Take care senator Reid. Can't wait to see you go too.
The last 8 years the cons cut taxes, reduced government, reduced regulation, and we had the lost decade and a near financial collapse. Now they want more?-RG
I guess NJ and Massachusettes residents want a comeback. Maybe the 10% unemployed would like a comeback of this as well. Actually 10% is misleading. 10% doesn't include the self-employed who have gone out of business or the contractors who can't get work. ARE THEY BETTER OFF NOW THAN YOU WHERE WHEN BUSH WAS IN OFFICE? I don't think so. Neither does NJ or MA.
Ok now we can wait for CutandPasteGun to give his regular comeback about religion.
"regular comeback about religion"
Yes HOOTER, it is obvious to everyone that the cons and especially the juiced cons (lickers) have the lord on your side. We give up HOOT, you got us there.
"BETTER OFF NOW THAN YOU WHERE WHEN BUSH WAS IN OFFICE?"
HOOT, I am just about the same, when Clinton left office and w left office. My lost decade. But I was riding high on Clintons dot com boom so...???
But HOOT, things are really starting to boom again. Lots of new big deals going on. My client is breaking some big ones in, and I'm along for the ride. Yeeee Haaaa...
But HOOT, things are really starting to boom again.-RG
?????? Where?
The only big deals going on are for people that donated to Obama. It's a shame that their is a African American president and African American unemployment is at historical highs. Please try and defend that.
"Please try and defend that. "
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Thanks crazy cons, we owe you.
The last 8 years the cons have cut taxes, reduced government, reduced regulation, and we had the lost decade and a near financial collapse. Now they want more?
CJP,help me polish the words.
I guess you will ignore the high unemployment for minorities.
"CJP,help me polish the words. "
Sorry CJP, didn't mean to order you around, Please, when you get the time, help me polish the words. I want to repeat the polished words 10000 times so it sinks into the thick lickers skulls.
"USA credit rating going down the toilet."
Sorry HOOT, once again you lickers know nothing. US still has a AAA rating, as few other countries do.
RayGun said...
"USA credit rating going down the toilet."
Sorry HOOT, once again you lickers know nothing. US still has a AAA rating, as few other countries do.
Jobs bill a.k.a. another failed stimulus will take us over the edge. Try to stay with current news RG. Google Moodys ratings. That could be the first thing you've learned in quite some time.
Erm, I wonder what Company did Wall Street's credit ratings when they were in heavy duty trouble but not yet disclosed to the public.
Why would anyone trust any national credit rating Co. since the above ratings fraud?
Anon2 said...
Erm, I wonder what Company did Wall Street's credit ratings when they were in heavy duty trouble but not yet disclosed to the public.
Good question. They were probably in Barney Franks pocket as well.
Why would anyone trust any national credit rating Co. since the above ratings fraud?-Anon2
You mean I could spend all the money I have, borrow as much as I can from other banks, max out all of my credit cards to the point where I can't possibly pay it back and still maintain a good credit rating? I don't think so. Anon2 the preteen, I think you will learn alot as you grow into adulthood. I hope so because you make such childish statements.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/04/will-marry-for-health-ins_n_448594.html
"Will Marry For Health Insurance"
Health Insurance Co's ARE THE DEATH PANELS.
Anyone who thinks and says differently has a screw loose in their head.
Of course that means the vast majority of the CONS.
HOTR said...
"You mean I could spend all the money I have, borrow as much as I can from other banks, max out all of my credit cards to the point where I can't possibly pay it back and still maintain a good credit rating? "
I wasn't talking about PERSONAL credit ratings buddy!! Typical Latin CON, can't read and understand.
Atrasado mental.
Anon2 said...
HOTR said...
"You mean I could spend all the money I have, borrow as much as I can from other banks, max out all of my credit cards to the point where I can't possibly pay it back and still maintain a good credit rating? "
I wasn't talking about PERSONAL credit ratings buddy!! Typical Latin CON, can't read and understand.
Do you somehow believe that the US government has trees that grow money? Countries borrow money the same way people do and the interest rates are according to their credit score. You must have missed that and CNN because we all know that you watch it DAILY FOR HOURS! Remember how you said:
Anon2 said...
PS: As a matter of fact, often people from other countries have a more objective view of what is happening in another country, especially if one is a neighbor and watching/hearing CNN daily for hours.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH I don't know what's funnier. Anon2 incredibly idiota statements or the fact that
the biggest OBN (Obama Brown Noser) doesn't even live in the states.
"The last 8 years the cons have cut taxes, reduced government, reduced regulation, and we had the lost decade and a near financial collapse. Now they want more?"
Ray Gun:
Those words of yours are very well polished. I don't think I can polish them anymore than you did. They are succinct and to the point.
However, you are correct that they need to be repeated 10,000 times a day -- the same way the Cons keep repeating their daily lies ad nauseum.
CJP said...
"However, you are correct that they need to be repeated 10,000 times a day -- the same way the Cons keep repeating their daily lies ad nauseum."
Add this to the above:
Real democracy is built on debate. Limbaugh forged a media empire largely on unchallenged monologues. Half truth and distortion. The cons are mostly the same as Limbaugh.
One cannot debate with CONS. That's shown right here on this site as well as everywhere else. When writing/saying the truth about cons, they start attacking people on a personal basis because they have no answer. lol
The CON core consists of W.A.S.P.'s Anyone else who happens to be in that party is allowed by the con's "grace" so as not to look racist. Racists they ARE.
The minorities who vote for repugnicans don't realize that they vote for their enemy who does everything to keep them dumb and poor. The only "assets" the cons have is an exceptionally rude beak and full of lies.
I think tonight the con lickers are licking themselves and each other silly while reading the news stories about their licking convention. Careful crazy cons, you're going to catch something and God will be really mad at you.
Hey HOOTER, you never know, A2 might be like snoop on the wire. You would be crazy to mess with snoop.
CJP said...
"The last 8 years the cons have cut taxes, reduced government, reduced regulation, and we had the lost decade and a near financial collapse. Now they want more?"
Ray Gun:
Those words of yours are very well polished. I don't think I can polish them anymore than you did. They are succinct and to the point.
However, you are correct that they need to be repeated 10,000 times a day -- the same way the Cons keep repeating their daily lies ad nauseum.
Yeah CJP.....We are better off now with Obama selling us off to the Chinese. Could that be why Obama ratings are plummeting? Cause we are better off, right?
NEXT.....Little Rock, Arkansas. The next lib to lose a seat. Dam you guys are getting picked off pretty easy now.
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