The GOP is the Party of the "Haves" and the "Have-Mores". Republicans are waging mortal combat against the "Have-Nots", the "Have-Lesses", and the "Have-Nothings".
40 million Americans who do not have health insurance today would be covered under the proposed new Democratic health care reform legislation. Naturally, Republicans can't tolerate that.
When First Lady Michelle Obama went to a soup kitchen several months ago to help feed the hungry and the homeless, the only thing that Right-Wing looney-tunes expressed was their total outrage that one homeless individual actually had a cell phone. That was the only thing the GOP had to say about this event -- indignation that a homeless person should own a cell phone.
How then can Republicans be anything bought overjoyed that 40 million Americans have no health care coverage? That must be a source of great satisfaction for the Grand Old Party. No wonder GOP Senators have cast not a single vote in favor of health care reform.
Perhaps if a bill were proposed that would deprive an additional 40 million Americans of health care coverage, Republicans would support that bill unanimously.
The Republican Party continues to prove that it is the party of the super-rich and an avowed Enemy of the People.
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"Enemy of the people"?? Okay comrade! Workers of the world unite!
Give me a break! Yep. The republicans just LOVE to see people suffer! Personally, I like to bring along some popcorn and a camera. We like to watch suffering ALMOST as much as we enjoy kicking puppies and setting homeless men on fire! Have you lost your mind, CJP?
What a rediculus premise for this post. Naturally if we don't want to undertake a program that will cost TRILLIONS and not cover everyone and cause taxes to be increased at a time when we can hardly afford to do those things---well naturally that means that we just want to watch people suffer!
It's downright UNPATRIOTIC to deny Health Care to everyone by letting 40 thousand people die needlessly every year due to lack of medical care.
The fallen soldiers during the 8 year Iraq war number less than 40 thousand to date.
Figure it out CONS. Multiply 40K dead people with every passing year you do not pass health insurance for everyone.
To make it easier on you, 10 years = 400 THOUSAND people!!
YOU, in addition to a warmongering tribe, declared war on your own people who through no fault of their own don't have health insurance.
YOU have that on your conscience.
Repugnicans/Cons don't have the interest of people in mind. They couldn't care less.....
Regardless of what you cons say, YOU DON'T CARE. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE... the word starts with M........
Lets see...it starts with M....hum...
"It's downright UNPATRIOTIC to deny Health Care to everyone by letting 40 thousand people die needlessly every year due to lack of medical care."
We have something in this country called the Constitution. You may have heard of it? Well, anyway, I know that you don't understand it, but there is nowhere in that document that states that the government must provide healthcare.
"YOU, in addition to a warmongering tribe, declared war on your own people who through no fault of their own don't have health insurance. "---Anon2
Another rediculous statement from Anon2. Have to admit---you never let me down!
40 thousand people a year die for lack of healthcare? Numbers like that, it would seem that I would have known at least one over the years.
Gee..can't think of a single one. Where are you getting your figures?
Well, can't be bothered with you right now, there are some orphans outside that I have to go poke with a stick.
You are a very hateful woman.
Oh, now you blame the Constitution that 40 THOUSAND people die every year due to lack of health care instead of people like yourself taking the responsibility?
GREAT thinking Caseyboy.
HUGE NEWS FLASH. CJP, PLEASE POST THIS. WE ALL NEW IT, BUT NOW IT IS FACT:
Liberalism, atheism, male sexual exclusivity linked to IQ
Evolutionary psychologist Satoshi Kanazawa at the the London School of Economics and Political Science correlated data on these behaviors with IQ from a large national U.S. sample and found that, on average, people who identified as liberal and atheist had higher IQs.
The IQ differences, while statistically significant, are stunning -- on the order of 6 to 11 points --
Cons are statistically dumb, now its a fact, below average intelligence
This should really be no surprise to anyone.
"YOU DON'T CARE. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE... the word starts with M........"
Money loving money grubbers?
Thanks for that excellent article Raygun!!
Here's a paragraph out of that link:
"Liberals are more likely to be concerned about total strangers; conservatives are likely to be concerned with people they associate with," he said."
I wholeheartedly agree.
Erm, keep on guessing the "M" word. LOL
Yes...that's it. I blame the Constitution. Something that some of us honor and respect.
Again. Where are you getting your figures?
I would like to know...what do you care? You have your healthcare. You don't sound like a very "caring person", so what is this all about with you?
We can't afford another couple of Trillion dollars of debt right now. We are up to our butts in debt.
Each of our States have healthcare programs for people that cannot afford health insurance. The people that need it get medical attention. But you didn't know that, did you?
Oh yes. Liberals are mental giants!
Anon2 is proof of that!
A2s a genious. Probably speaks 5 languages. I know of 3. French, English, Spanish. Cons, know one language, money.
Hmmmm M...Mankind haters?
A constitution that guarantees everyone the right to bear arms (= right to kill) is a "killer" constitution.
It brings out the worst in everyone.
How many innocents have been killed by these people bearing arms throughout the centuries due to hate, mental illness, accidents etc.?
You cons LOVE arms and defend that right to the death regardless of how many die because of these arms bearing people.
As I said previously, you cons deserve the "M" word.
Raygun said...
"A2s a genious. Probably speaks 5 languages. I know of 3. French, English, Spanish. Cons, know one language, money."
There you go RG!! I learned German, Dutch, French, English for 4 years in high school. Spanish after that.
You're right, cons know only one language that's printed on paper: "In God We Trust". = God and $$$
"It brings out the worst in everyone."
Sorry A2, this country is violent. And I don't want to have to weight lift, practice with a knife all day, to know I can defend myself against any punk. Or home invasion.
Anymore, even if someone breaks into your home, and is exiting out a window, and the home owner shoots him, that's considered justified. Crime has really gone down here A2.
Funny though, Seattle city limits, it's really increasing again, after the mayor banned guns from many places. Not saying its entirely related, but...
Anyway, I do not fear going anywhere. Plus I have shot a pit bull in a park, one of two, that was chasing me on my bike. Not sure what would of happened if I didn't have my concealed pistol. Cops told me good job in not so many words.
"Yes...that's it. I blame the Constitution. Something that some of us honor and respect.
No con wants to accept responsibility for their own deeds and/or lack of them and therefore are not grownups. Easy way out, to blame the constitution.
"Again. Where are you getting your figures?"
Google for it. I got it from Bill Maher. He's not known to be a liar.
Some of my favorite sayings:
1) We can only give away to others what we have inside.
2) I am not young enough to know everything.
3) Growing old is inevitable, growing up is optional.
Casey boy, I got to give it to you. You definitely don't belong to any of the above-mentioned 3.
Casey, nowhere does the Constitution say that the government must provide Social Security. But we have it today.
Is Social Security unconstitutional?
My guess is that most Conservatives would say "Yes, Social Security is unconstitutional."
After all, Social Security helps millions of elderly people and that, by itself, is enough to cause most Conservatives to find it unconstitutional.
Maher is good. I loved his movie Religulous. I read his writing on Huff, one of my favorite posts there. Cons only get 1/4 what he's even talking about, now we know why...
"A constitution that guarantees everyone the right to bear arms (= right to kill) is a "killer" constitution."
More shear genius from Anon2! And she gets her facts from Bill Mahr!
Actually, CJP Social Security is unconstitutional. We have it today, but IT IS BROKE!!! Another sucessful government run program.
(hey HOTR---you need to be here tonight! this is great.)
Hey A2, I program in at least 5 computer languages, maybe liberals being smarter and all, understand other peoples perspectives a little more, and have more of what is known as empathy.
"loved his movie Religulous"
one of the 3 that saw it!
"one of the 3 that saw it! "
Case, success, truth, worth, does not revolve around who makes the most money. Look at the National Enquirer and Faux News. Look at porn. Porn is probably one of the most profitable movie etc enterprises out there. Do you look at porn Case? Are you involved now or in the past with the porn industry? Don't be ashamed, I am not judging, I am saying whatever you do is fine Case. Funny how many porn stars get religion and quite the industry (although I am not an expert on the subject, as I never look at porn).
Hm, here's an interesting article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/glenn-becks-message-it-is_b_477936.html
Excerpt:
Beck taught us that a once-principled conservative movement of reasoned activists has turned into a mob -- one that does not engage in civilized battles of ideas. Instead, these torch-carriers, gun-brandishers and tea partyers follow an anti-government terrorist attack by cheering a demagogue's demand for the physical annihilation of those with whom he disagrees -- namely anyone, but particularly progressives, who value "community."
Raygun said...
"Hey A2, I program in at least 5 computer languages, maybe liberals being smarter and all, understand other peoples perspectives a little more, and have more of what is known as empathy."
Great going Raygun! Congrats on being so very computer literate!!
Yes, I agree that liberals in general, compared to CONS, have definitely far more empathy and are more open minded!!
Now, do the cons blame the constitution for their lack of empathy as well? Narrow minded, egoistical bunch. LOL
"Beck taught us that a once-principled conservative movement of reasoned activists has turned into a mob -- one that does not engage in civilized battles of ideas. Instead, these torch-carriers, gun-brandishers and tea partyers follow an anti-government terrorist attack by cheering a demagogue's demand for the physical annihilation of those with whom he disagrees -- namely anyone, but particularly progressives, who value "community."---
I am going to take this one from HOTR...Give me 1 example...
RayGun said...
Sorry A2, this country is violent.
For a supposedly civilized country it is. Sorry Raygun, but that's the way it is.
One thing to remember. Violence begets violence.
Western Europe doesn't like arms, war and violence. It had its share of them for many centuries. They seemed to have learned their lesson in many parts and want peace.
Hopefully, the USA will one day learn it as well.
Caseyboy said...
"I am going to take this one from HOTR...Give me 1 example..."
You smartiepants eh? Request an example from the WRITER of the article: David Sirota. LOL
Peace at any price, Anon2? Is that all that matters? Would you give up your individual freedoms for peace? How about terrorism in your country. Would you tolerate terrorism in exchange for peace?
I think that it's nice that we have someone here on this blog that represents and speaks for all of West. Europe.
"Western Europe doesn't like arms, war and violence."
From what I hear, the thugs rule the streets.
I hate war also.
I just want to be able to defend myself. I am getting older but I know I can defend myself in most any circumstance. Plus I know the law, and when and where and how I am justified in defending myself.
I like that feeling.
You have that right, RG. I am glad that you respect and want to retain that right.
England has strong restrictions on firearms, but now has a high rate of violence with the use of firearms. It hasn't solved the problem.
"It's downright UNPATRIOTIC to deny Health Care"---Anon2 (of course)
pa·tri·ot·ic (ptr-tk)
adj.
Feeling, expressing, or inspired by love for one's country.
Now, what is WRONG with your statement, Anon2? Could it be that free healthcare has nothing what-so-ever to do with being patriotic?
Comon Case, maybe we should watch The Sopranos together. I can explain what the writers are really saying. Cons just don't get words that much. And Tony Soprano has an affinity for history.
"You smartiepants eh? Request an example from the WRITER of the article: David Sirota. LOL"---Anon2
You presented the article as something that you agree with, so I am asking for an example of the "angry mob" and "tea partyers follow an anti-government terrorist attack by cheering a demagogue's demand for the physical annihilation of those with whom he disagrees"
Give me an example of that because I missed that. I didn't see that covered by the media, and I saw no arrests for that.
You presented it as something relevant... Don't wimp out now.
OMG, RG. You find a "deeper meaning" in the weirdest places. It is cute, but strange. :}
"deeper meaning" in the weirdest places."
JFC, deeper meaning in The Sopranos, The Wire? There is no deeper meaning, the shows are fking with you. You just don't get the metaphors, the irony, the great writing. Those are 2 of the most highly acclaimed shows of the past 2 decades, and I agree with all the critics. And Mad Men, another unbelievably written show. Another massively critically acclaimed show.
The writing, all HBO series, is unreal. Apparently most dont get any of the shows, except the intellectual snobs, who mention them all the time. The shows generally don't do very well financially...
Caseyboy said:
"Now, what is WRONG with your statement, Anon2? Could it be that free healthcare has nothing what-so-ever to do with being patriotic?"
"pa·tri·ot·ic (ptr-tk)
adj.
Feeling, expressing, or inspired by love for one's country."
Being patriotic has to do with the CITIZENS of that country, not just the soil.
That's why caring for and about citizens of said country would encompass health care.
You show clearly that cons don't understand empathy and only love yourself, war, $$$ and the soil.
No point in discussing anything with someone who is unable to see the above.
Google "humane" and "society" and learn what these words mean.
"Those notes Sarah Palin wrote on her hand to help her remember her core beliefs were "a poor man's version of a teleprompter," Palin told Sean Hannity Thursday night."
Uhhh, think it rather proves the new study, religious nuts, and right wing extremists, equals low IQ. Thanks Sarah.
"Being patriotic has to do with the CITIZENS of that country, not just the soil."---Anon2
I realize that you are a genius and everything, but NO WHERE in that definition does it say that patriotic has anything to do with the citizens of the country. It has to do with the SOIL.
"Google "humane" and "society" and learn what these words mean."
That is not what you said. You said PATRIOTIC and CLEARLY you didn't have a CLUE what the meaning of the word was...You make it SO easy!
Give it up Case, she speaks 5 languages. And there are universal truths in all of them, which cons flat don't get. Cons universal truth, physics unified theory, is the love of money.
Case, are you flexible?
She speaks 5 languages? English should be one of them! :]
I am not THAT flexible! Are you?
Yes sweet Case, I am always seeking the truth and are thus very flexible.
Comon Case, if you were not so stuffy, not so bent on telling others what to do, according to your good lord, and prostitution was legal, what would you charge? :-)
What are you worth Case? Could I afford you?
"Comon Case, if you were not so stuffy, not so bent on telling others what to do, according to your good lord, and prostitution was legal, what would you charge? :-)
You keep saying that, and I keep telling you that as a libertarian, I don't want to tell you what to do! I really don't care about prostitution!
Now, to answer your question...I can't. Sex and money are not anything that I have ever considered mixing. I am a chemistry person when it comes to sex. Either you have it, or you don't. Why? Do you pay often? :]
"Why? Do you pay often?"
Case, we all pay... One way or the other. We pay for pretty. And the payee receives what?, then suffers the consequences of his indiscretion? Case, what is it all worth, once you see children, are not the answer to all of life's calling...?
It's built into us Case, just like it's built into all life, all animals. Procreation.
Do you have any pics you want to share?
RG---
I thought that you were married....
"Perhaps if a bill were proposed that would deprive an additional 40 million Americans of health care coverage, Republicans would support that bill unanimously."
-CJP
Again and again, republicans have come to the table with ideas for better health insurance coverage. The problem is Pelosi, Reed and Obama are so far left that the democrats wont even back them!
Why else have the democrats been blocking health care reform?
CJP-
For the cost of a cell phone, most people could cover most or all of the costs for their personal health insurance policy!
I guess that is a point you have choosen to over look. Why dont the democratic politicians believe in personal responsibility?
BB, thought you were lost for good.
"Again and again, republicans have come to the table with ideas for better health insurance coverage"
Yes, cut regulations, (interstate health insurance reform), cut torts.
JHC BB, its a joke.
Do you read?
Comon Case, BB is babbling again. Where were we?
Brandon, where have you been?
Loved this post! I am taking time out from my usual Friday night torturing of cats so that I can blog a bit. (CJP's post suggests that we all enjoy the suffering of humanity because we oppose the healthcare bill)
"Brandon, where have you been?
Loved this post! I am taking time out from my usual Friday night torturing of cats so that I can blog a bit. (CJP's post suggests that we all enjoy the suffering of humanity because we oppose the healthcare bill)"
-Casey
I have been doing constructive things like polishing my new motorcycle, buying a truck, working on my property and enjoying life.
Its funny how day after day the Obama administration and fellow dems fall deeper and deeper into their own shit!
"Yes, cut regulations, (interstate health insurance reform), cut torts.
JHC BB, its a joke.
Do you read?"
-Raygun
Why is it a joke?
let me guess, "its to complicated"
"Where were we?"
We were talking about your marital statis...And you were avoiding the question again....typical married man!
Yes, the Obama Administration is really taking a beating. The dems are scared to death. It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic!
Glad that you have been enjoying life. I have been shoveling snow!
Comon Case, what does it all really matter in the end?
The Wire.
The Sopranos.
Mad Men.
Men, we are all the same...
BB, how is the girl friend doing? The one you went to Ireland with, right? You divorced already?
BB, you see U2 grossed more than any other band this year by a factor of 3?
Where did CJP talk about torturing cats? That sounds like a con to me.
"Where did CJP talk about torturing cats?"---RG
He didn't talk about torturing cats, but he accused conservatives that were against the healthcare bill of "enjoying human suffering". I was being a shithead.
So...I was right, RG. I can always spot a married man. Been single and been around, been stalked by enough of them. "Men, we are all the same..." You got that right!
Stalked, interesting word..
Hmmm, what is the M.. word...
What am I talking about?
Good night, RG.....
Cons Crazy Love, Brother and Sister, Olympics...
BB, you watch the shows? The wire, the sopranos, Mad men?
The future BB, writing, its the future..
"The IQ differences, while statistically significant, are not stunning -- on the order of 6 to 11 points -- and the data should NOT be used to stereotype or make assumptions about people, experts say."
Yeah, RG. you are so brilliant that you missed the part that says that "this data should NOT be used to stereotype or make assumptions."
" may stem from a desire to show superiority or elitism, which also has to do with IQ." and "ways to communicate to everyone that you're pretty smart,"
Yes, we do see the elitism all of the time!
"It does not look at other factors that play into American political beliefs, such as abortion, gun control and gay rights." Here's a good part:
"can also be a means of showing superiority."
Okay. I wouldn't rest my case on this one, RG. I think that you have read alot more into it than what this article is actually saying. Sounds to me that it is a bit narsissitic to make these assumptions---oh that's right. That fits in with the feelings of superiority...
You're right Case, I am not resting my case on this study. Pretty sure other studies will show an even wider gap :-).
RG, that would be the narissitic response :]
But crazy cons, the massive study showing a huge difference in IQ, should be good news to you all, as all you have to do, is come over to the side of good.
That's okay. I don't need to stroke my own ego that much.
Besides, I don't see that many principled people on your side. I could hardly call it the side of "good".
However I do see alot of elitism. That's for sure.
You have never commented on the reason why our schools are failing even though our very liberal school system throws money at the problem, and why the most liberal cities in America are the most poverty stricken and violent. Let's put that very above average mind of yours to the test: why is that, RG?
Caseyboy said...
"I realize that you are a genius and everything, but NO WHERE in that definition does it say that patriotic has anything to do with the citizens of the country. It has to do with the SOIL.'
Huh? How does one get patriotic without citizens within its borders? Without citizens there doesn't exist patriotism.
Very twisted and unrealistic view Caseyboy.
Caseyboy, you may want to watch your spelling as I see many spelling errors in your posts.
Such as: "narsissitic"
Did you go to school?
"Huh? How does one get patriotic without citizens within its borders? Without citizens there doesn't exist patriotism."---Anon2
No, without citizens there doesn't exist a country.
Then why doesn't the definition include citizens? That is simply not true. Patriotism has to do with the love of one's country. The country is the soil. The land. What the country stands for. You can love your country, but not like the people much.
The Nazi's were very patriotic, however there were vast numbers of the citizenry that they did not like. I would not have called them humanitarians, but they were extremely patriotic.
I think that you are confused. If you follow your logic, it would be unpatriotic to do many things.
I am patriotic as I put the good of my country before my own selfish needs. I would like to see this country continue to exist and not be bankrupt by huge crushing national debt that cannot be sustained. I am humanitarian as I don't want people to starve or suffer. I pay taxes to help fund programs that help to reduce that need. I give to charity as well. I don't call that patriotic. I call that humanitarian, as I also give to other countries in need.
"liberal cities in America are the most poverty stricken and violent."
Uhhh, whats a liberal city? One with lots of minorities?
A gem of an article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-wallis/lets-get-theological-on-h_b_478810.html
Excerpt:
"First, the tax cuts that George Bush pushed through Congress overwhelmingly benefited the richest people in America--virtually all analysts agree with that fact. But many Americans haven't really calculated that the cost of those tax cuts for the rich was literally double what health-care reform is projected to cost. Double. Yet, there was not even a mention from Republicans, then or now, about the fiscal cost of such enormous tax cuts for the wealthiest people in America. And now they are doing everything they can to stoke public outrage about the cost of health-care reform (even though the Congressional Budget Office says the President's proposal will likely reduce the deficit by $100 billion over the next decade). How does that square with the biblical emphasis on the priority of the poor? There is simply no way to justify the habitual behavior of the current Republican party's clear preference for the rich over everybody else."
It's worth reading the entire article, especially the (_$_). :)
"huge crushing national debt that cannot be sustained. "
Why not cut the fking military then?
Cons are the big spenders. Cons justify their spending using their inferior logic, rationalizing a monstrous military is necessary.
You think Canada is going to invade us? I am more worried about Texass invading the US than I am about Canada.
"Uhhh, whats a liberal city? One with lots of minorities?"---Rg
No. A liberal city is a city that is run by liberal democrats. One that has been historically run by liberals, such as Baltimore, DC, Detroit, for decades. Why are these cities the most violent, and poverty stricken? Why are these school test scores the lowest in the nation? Are you saying that it is because of minorities, RG?
Baltimore, DC, Detroit,
--
Go watch The Wire which is about Baltimore. Learn something. Really boils down to poor parenting.
I know most of the moms (I don't know any that work) are stay at home moms, and their kids are the best behaved I have ever seen.
You think Canada is going to invade us? I am more worried about Texass invading the US than I am about Canada.
That is just plain rediculous!
RG you need to accept the FACTS and research the FIGURES, Obama has out spent Bush (who spent too much as well)by more than double in only 1 year.
And we have one of the highest coporate tax rates in the world. Do you wonder why our jobs are outsourced?
And Anon2---Those were not the numbers given in the Healthcare Summit.
"released hours before the Senate is expected to open debate on the $848 billion health package crafted by Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.)".
Wrong again, Anon2
And we all know that the government is always wrong when it comes down to the actual cost. It is ALWAYS MORE.
Still working on that poverty/liberal city question, RG? or are you just going to stick with your insinuation that it is because of minorities? (not my words; yours)
ok what are con cities?
While your at it, where are the articles you use to make your statement "liberal cities in America are the most poverty stricken and violent."
"First, the tax cuts that George Bush pushed through Congress overwhelmingly benefited the richest people in America-"
Yes, and using their limited mental capacity, they still think trickle down works.
1st on poverty rate list: Detroit, MI. Hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1961;
2nd. Buffalo, NY. Hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1954;
3rd. Cincinnati, OH. Hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1984;
4th. Cleveland, OH …since 1989;
5th. Miami, FL. Has NEVER had a Republican mayor;
6th. St. Louis, MO …since 1949;
7th. El Paso, TX. Has NEVER had a Republican mayor;
8th. Milwaukee, WI…since 1908;
9th. Philadelphia, PA…since 1952;
10th. Newark, NJ …since 1907.
Don't remember the website. I googled it at the time. I brought this up a couple of months ago. So I have lost the source. Sorry. But what I have provided should help.
"BB, how is the girl friend doing? The one you went to Ireland with, right? You divorced already?"
-Raygun
I am not divorced, sorry! Relationships are alot easier when your a conservative. Women tend to be attracted to men who dont sleep around or kill babies!
Raygun-
Did you see that your liberal friends extented the, so called, "patriot act"? What a bunch of dumb asses. I thought the liberals were all about freedom and protection of rights, or so you make it sound!
"Women tend to be attracted to men who dont sleep around or kill babies!"
Oh Dear BB, now we are talking....
"Yes, and using their limited mental capacity, they still think trickle down works."
-Raygun
Maybe you could explain the differences between trickle down vs. stimulus?
It seems either way the government is giving money to companies in the hopes they will give it to the working man...
"Women tend to be attracted to men who dont sleep around or kill babies!"
But, but, but, God kills more babies (miscarriages) then man ever has... ie; 30 percent of all babies are miscarried (Gods will?).
"But, but, but, God kills more babies (miscarriages) then man ever has... ie; 30 percent of all babies are miscarried (Gods will?)."
-Raygun
I guess...
"Yes, and using their limited mental capacity, they still think trickle down works."
-Raygun
Maybe you could explain the differences between trickle down vs. stimulus?
It seems either way the government is giving money to companies in the hopes they will give it to the working man...
February 27, 2010 7:28 PM
Raygun-
Did you see that your liberal friends extented the, so called, "patriot act"? What a bunch of dumb asses. I thought the liberals were all about freedom and protection of rights, or so you make it sound!
"Maybe you could explain the differences between trickle down vs. stimulus?"
BB...
Ok BB, we just tried trickle down with w. Cut taxes to the rich.
"Ok BB, we just tried trickle down with w. Cut taxes to the rich."
-Raygun
Then Obama just writes a check out to the rich and some how that is better???
fk off bb, writing checks to the rich, is the cons job
Raygun-
I think you need to stop calling yourself a progressive. Dont progessives learn from their mistakes?
"fk off bb, writing checks to the rich, is the cons job"
-Raygun
Calm down buddy! The facts are right in front of you and you still dont except it. Obama is the one writing the checks. Open your eyes!!!
"mistakes?"
Plz define mistakes.
"mistakes?"
Plz define mistakes."
-Raygun
Voting for liberals! Supporting bigger government, higher taxes and the federal government in general.
"fk off bb, writing checks to the rich, is the cons job"
-Raygun
Calm down buddy! The facts are right in front of you and you still dont except it. Obama is the one writing the checks. Open your eyes!!!
-Did we lose you Raygun?-
FKing BB, skunks, the smell ...
Do you know what I am talking about...
Someone said they saw me
"FKing BB, skunks, the smell ...
Do you know what I am talking about...
Someone said they saw me"
-Raygun
It seems your trying to avoid my point, again!
Stimulus and trickle down are based on the same principles. Give companies tax dollars or let them keep their own tax dollars and let it trickle down to their employees!
Raygun-
Have you sold all of your gold yet? Looks like gold has fallen about $100 per ounce.
source:http://www.kitco.com/charts/historicalgold.html
"30 percent of all babies are miscarried"---RG
That is natures way. Most miscarriages within the first 3 months (and that is where most of that 30% comes from--first 3 months)are malformed or defective in some way. Nature takes care of the imperfection on it's own. "God" has nothing to do with it.
Hey, where's my answer to the city/poverty question that I asked you, RG? You aren't going to DODGE that one, are you?
"let it trickle down to their employees!"
But BB, doesn't greed kick in? The benevolent money grubbers like giving their employees their money?
Why not let it trickle up BB? Give the employees money, through reduced taxes, so they can buy more? Trickle up.
Where are your links, studies, etc, proving what you are talking about, even exists. You're very general Case.
There doesn't need to be any links. You have the top 10 cities that are the most poverty stricken. My question is this: If YOUR side is the side of "good" and "right" why isn't it working? Why is there not more prosperty and sucess?
There is no such thing as "trickle up". When and where has that ever worked?
The answer is to lower the tax rate for the corporations and keep the jobs here in America.
The unions cannot continue to demand outrageous wages and benefits, so that companies can compete. Sounds harsh, but we have to be able to compete or we loose completely.
Listen to John Stossel once in a while about what excessive regulations have done to the ability to compete.
gold.
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BB, I'll repeat it once again, my purchase of gold is not really an investment per say, I look at it more like purchasing insurance. That is, if the con money mongers manage to make the pretty green paper worthless, then gold will rule once again.
BB, why are China and India buying gold in hundreds of tons increments?
"That is, if the con money mongers manage to make the pretty green paper worthless"---RG
You make these statements, that make no sense. How are the con "money mongers" making the money worthless? YOUR side is printing more worthless paper. YOUR side is doing the huge spending (and don't say that Bush did it, because Obama has already spent more than Bush did in 8 years) So why is this a con problem?
And trickle up? What are people supposed to buy with the big 8-16 dollars per paycheck? That won't buy many TV's or cars!
You knot headed cons, still don't get it. W's tax cut to the rich freed up so much money, there was little useful places to put it. So what did the masters of the universe do with all that money? They created financial instruments of mass destruction. Derivatives.
No, RG. that isn't how it happened. You don't get dirivitives out of thin air.
"Freddie and Fannie can carry out this operation by issuing three types of highly risky obligations: 1. corporate bonds that Freddie and Fannie issue; 2. Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS), in which Freddie and Fannie pool a group of mortgages together, put a guaranty on it (for which they earn a fee), and then they package these MBS to insurance companies, pension funds, international investors; etc; and 3. outright derivatives, which Fannie and Freddie have.
You have to have something to gamble on, RG. The easy money mtgs are what fed the market. Govt intervention, helped feed the subprime mortgage demand.
"Obama has already spent more than Bush did in 8 years"
Case sweetums, didn't w generate around 5 trillion in new debt? Isn't that way more than Obama? Wasn't Obamas first budget, actually w's last budget.
Since World War II, federal spending has generally remained between 18 and 22 percent of GDP. During the Bush Administration, spending increased from 18 to 21 percent of GDP. **This year, President Obama will spend a peacetime-record 26 percent of GDP.
Let's see. From 2010 to 2019, Obama projects annual deficits totaling $7.1 trillion; that's atop the $1.8 trillion deficit for 2009.
So, no. That isn't the case.
But it doesn't matter. Who cares what started it? What matters is that we get a grip on it before it's too late. To point fingers and say, "Bush did the same thing" is childish and counter productive. I thought you voted for "change" not the same old crap, different president.
"$1.8 trillion deficit for 2009."
w owns that one. So counting that one plus other w deficits, that's close to 7 trillion. And you said Obama has already borrowed more than that? Case, me thinks you needs some of them dem smartnin pills.
Try this:
Obama's National Debt Impact
Upon Inauguration: $10,626,877,048,913
As of Feb 25, 2010: $12,433,661,592,275
Increased by: $1,806,784,543,362
What part of this are you not getting? On the campaign, he promised to cut the budget and spending.
This is silly. Google this. There is no one that argues this spending trend, and since we have no money, the spending goes to the accumulation of debt.
"thought you voted for "change" not the same old crap, different president."
But we have the same stupid cons (proven by a massive new study) saying no to everything. And a few dumb dems (cons in dem clothing) aiding and abetting the destruction of America.
Case that first budget was passed by w. So go subtract w first budget, as it was given to him by Clinton. OOPs,that will really make you sound, not so smart :-)
RG, you are making me crazy! I have to stop before my head explodes....
So, Clinton gave w around a 300 billion dollar surplus, then give him Obamas first deficit (since its actually w's) and w's new total is around 7.5 trillion of new debt. And did I ever hear even the slightest whimper from the con barnyard? All I remember hearing was that dems were unpatriotic for not loving the con wars.
Hmmm, come to think of it, the cons won't let Obama raise taxes on the wealthy, so they should get credit for any and all new debt. Obama can take the hit for health care if it ever passes. 100 billion per year.
See Case, when you smart this stuff is very clear.
So looking at the budget, w came in with a surplus of 300 billion, and left with a yearly deficit of 1.8 trillion. It was a stead progression. You cons claim to be the financial geniuses, but maybe now you see why everyone thinks you all are kind of dumb (a fact now backed by a major study).
Sorry. I have to go clean my brain matter off the walls. You have finally done it to me.
Rg, when are you moving to Canada or The Netherlands?
Do you drive your wife this crazy?
"Sorry. I have to go clean my brain matter off the walls."
More mindless con chattering coming from Case :-)
"No less an establishment conservative observer than the Wall Street Journal editorialist Dorothy Rabinowitz describes Paul’s followers as “conspiracy theorists, anti-government zealots, 9/11 truthers, and assorted other cadres of the obsessed and deranged.”" And stupid.
Link
"Whether consciously or coincidentally, Stout was echoing Palin’s memorable final declaration during her appearance at the National Tea Party Convention earlier this month: “I will live, I will die for the people of America, whatever I can do to help.” It’s enough to make you wonder who is palling around with terrorists now."
Cons, aka lickers are Americas True Terrorists. I heard that someplace and its very true.
Do you drive your wife this crazy?
I don't know anything about that.
Case, why don't you put some bikini picks in your profile?
Because I am not into providing entertainment for married men. Or any other horney jerk that comes along.
I understand about your puritanical beliefs.
Do you say prayers before and after any acts of love?
No, Rg. I sacrifice a chicken to the God of Oshame.
"sacrifice a chicken"
Wild stuff. I have heard that, Christian women are some of the wildest women around, in the sack.
Congratulations Canada on the 13 gold medals, the most of any nation.
MY dear God in heaven, I think this funniest thing I have ever read.
New Rule: Stop saying "sex addict" like it's bad thing.
Hey Case, you ever read "Choke"? It's about a bunch of sex addicts and it's hilarious.
Guess all the other crazy cons are in church today.
Raygun said...
" Congratulations Canada on the 13 gold medals, the most of any nation."
Thanks RG. Not bad for a country of about 30 million eh?
Your country didn't do bad either. :)
JHC, only 30 million, that's really a feat then.
And BC has always had some of the best looking women in the world. Maybe it's something in the water.
"$1.8 trillion deficit for 2009."
w owns that one. So counting that one plus other w deficits, that's close to 7 trillion. And you said Obama has already borrowed more than that? Case, me thinks you needs some of them dem smartnin pills."
-Raygun
Maybe you need some smart pills, Raygun. The $1.8 trillion dollar deficit came from the TARP fund, correct? Now it is being paid back and Obama is getting credited with it, correct? So if you cancel out the TARP fund you would see Bush had a smaller deficit in 2009 while Obama will only have higher deficits from 2010 and on!
About six weeks ago, a large earthquake devastated Haiti and killed over 200,000 people. Saturday, a huge earthquake releasing 500 times more energy, devastated Chile and killed hundreds.
Little or no evaluation is made of seismic risk in constructing buildings and no zoning takes place. It means that building codes are not written, and even if they do exist they are difficult, or impossible, to enforce.
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Sure glad the simple cons are not in charge of US building codes. And dear God help us all if the lickers ever get in.
why are the pubs always the haves and have mores??? Sorros is one of the wealthiest in the world, Al Gore very wealthy, Nancy very wealthy, and all preach global warming and doing for others while having the lowest donations out of anyone on capital hill to charities, most of the wealth is on the democrat liberal side,
"why are the pubs always the haves and have mores??? Sorros is one of the wealthiest in the world, Al Gore very wealthy, Nancy very wealthy, and all preach global warming and doing for others while having the lowest donations out of anyone on capital hill to charities, most of the wealth is on the democrat liberal side,"
-Joey
Did you ever notice how liberals tend to earn their money from scamming others (global warming) or being politician, while republicans earn their fortunes thru hard work or starting their own companies?
"while republicans earn their fortunes thru hard work or starting their own companies?"
Like Enron, or Goldman Sachs, or CitiBank, or Lehman Brothers, or Bank of America or on and on.
He gave tax cut to SS recipients, you dinkroid.
Why dont you look thru the resumes of your friends in Washington D.C.? You will see that most of them are lawyers while most republicans are buisness owners. So who is better fix to run our country? Someone who knows how to run a company or a lawyer how went to school on mommy and daddys dollar?
Ok BB, you semi retard :-), oops that will get the con leaders smelly panties in a twit, but here goes.
Trickle down (tax cuts to the rich) versus trickle up (tax cuts to the poor). Either way we are borrowing fking money to pay for it. So, if we borrowed money, then took said borrowed money and started dropping from Gd helicopters, the people would grab it (rich and poor), spend it, and therefore stimulate the economy. So why not help 99 percent of the people (with tax cuts), rather than 1 percent of the people? JFC.
"Trickle down (tax cuts to the rich) versus trickle up (tax cuts to the poor)."
-Raygun
I guess your confused again because they havent been alot of tax cuts on the poor. Only social entitlement and tax cuts for the wealthy. I believe the stimulus included tax cuts for small buisness owners, thus tax cuts for the wealthy. So whats the difference between stimulus vs. trickle down. Obama is just cutting taxes on the wealthy, again!
Tax cuts for the wealthy? That was w. Define wealthy. I define wealthy as anyone making over 250k per year. Bush cut said defined wealthy taxes, especially their investment taxes dramatically. What fking good did it do? They bought and sold each other derivatives. And sold those weapons of financial mass destruction to citys, pension funds and mutual funds.
What fking jobs did they create? Paper creating jobs?
And BB, words, lawyers (libs), thats why we all have so much trouble. Because you cons don't get words...
"Tax cuts for the wealthy? That was w. Define wealthy. I define wealthy as anyone making over 250k per year. Bush cut said defined wealthy taxes, especially their investment taxes dramatically. What fking good did it do? They bought and sold each other derivatives. And sold those weapons of financial mass destruction to citys, pension funds and mutual funds."
-Raygun
I get it, Raygun, you dont like the Bush tax cuts, but why do you support Obamas stimulus? He cut taxes on small buisness owners. Most of the people who make over 250K/yr are small buisness owners. Why dont you get this?
As for you comment on the Bush cuts on investments, isnt it a good thing for Americans to be investing in America?
"but why do you support Obamas stimulus? "
I support it, borrow some more Obama.
"As for you comment on the Bush cuts on investments, isnt it a good thing for Americans to be investing in America? "
"Investing". Investing in BS derivatives?
Whats so fking amazing to me, BB, it finally seems the so called journalists, finally are talking about it, finally seem to understand what those wizards did.
Maybe now something will get done.
"but why do you support Obamas stimulus? "
I support it, borrow some more Obama."
-Raygun
Comments like this are why your an idiot! Why do you support it? Its almost exactly the same thing.
Stimulus vs. trickle down
"Its almost exactly the same thing."
You moron, stimulas, tax cuts to the poor, help people who really need the money, not help the money grubbers, the top 1 percent of the nation, who don't need it and will waste it trying to find ways (bs investments) to take themselves to the next level.
You moron, stimulas, tax cuts to the poor, help people who really need the money, not help the money grubbers, the top 1 percent of the nation, who don't need it and will waste it trying to find ways (bs investments) to take themselves to the next level."
-Raygun
You are so out of touch with reality. Americas wealthy dont invest in the same crap you do. They invest in mutual funds and realestate. Its safe and has a nice rate of return.
Where are the tax cuts for the poor. You keep saying that but I havent seen any and I asume you agree with me that small buisness got tax breaks. (Americas wealthy)
"dont invest in the same crap you do. They invest in mutual funds and realestate."
Mutual funds, invest in crap like derivatives also. And, real estate really turned out to be a recent crap investment, didn't it?
"Mutual funds, invest in crap like derivatives also. And, real estate really turned out to be a recent crap investment, didn't it?"
-Raygun
I dont know what fantasy land you live in but realestate is still a great investment! Most of the foreclosures happend in a few places: Las Vegas, Michigan, California, Florida and New York.
Being a land lord in any one of those places would also be a smart investment. Alot of people need places to rent...
Raygun-
Where are the tax cuts for the poor. You keep saying that but I havent seen any and I asume you agree with me that small buisness got tax breaks. (Americas wealthy)
"you agree with me that small buisness got tax breaks. (Americas wealthy) "
BB, what are you talking about? I pay 0 taxes as a small business, that I know of. So how could I get any tax breaks.
Side note, WA will soon start taxing "Custom Software", which I write. But Ill just pass it on to client(s)? We'll see.
BB, what are you talking about? I pay 0 taxes as a small business, that I know of. So how could I get any tax breaks.
-Raygun
How is it you dont pay federal withholding on your personal income?
Side note, WA will soon start taxing "Custom Software", which I write. But Ill just pass it on to client(s)? We'll see.
-Raygun
So whats your point? I say tax cuts for you would be a good thing and you reinforce that by saying a tax increase will only cost your customers.
"How is it you dont pay federal withholding on your personal income?"
We all pay that BB. Any worker does, doesn't he? As a corporation, me, not an LLC, I pay myself a wage. And said wages require personal withholding.
"I say tax cuts for you would be a good thing"
I can get buy without a tax cut. All I know is when I start seeing a lot of money, as I do now, I get lazy. I start spending, and not caring, what things are really worth, nor their real cost.
"How is it you dont pay federal withholding on your personal income?"
We all pay that BB. Any worker does, doesn't he? As a corporation, me, not an LLC, I pay myself a wage. And said wages require personal withholding."
-Raygun
So where are the tax cuts in the stimulus package? Obama said they went to small buisness. I havent seen any tax cuts and you must not be able to get any tax cuts, since you dont pay taxes.
What do you think of all the new taxes the stupid liberals are proposing here in Washington?
"I havent seen any tax cuts"
BB, you should of seen around 15 per week in your check.
"What do you think of all the new taxes the stupid liberals are proposing here in Washington?"
I think they are starting to target me, "Custom Software". The IRS. The madman plane crasher, teabagger, was also apparently a software engineer. Ironic, eh?
Whatever BB, I agree, I dont want to suddenly get surprised by a 100k tax bill. The lawyer(s) and accountant hopefully will figure it out. Else they will pay :-)
"I havent seen any tax cuts"
BB, you should of seen around 15 per week in your check."
-Raygun
I saw an adjustment to my federal withholding by my tax liabilty at the end of the year was almost exactly the same. So where was the tax cuts, I just had a smaller refund. What a scam!
"Whatever BB, I agree, I dont want to suddenly get surprised by a 100k tax bill. The lawyer(s) and accountant hopefully will figure it out. Else they will pay :-)"
-Raygun
Whats the matter, you dont want to be taxed the same as your other high income earning friends?
"Whats the matter, you dont want to be taxed the same as your other high income earning friends? "
BB, all my friends, neighbors, work at MS, Lucent, ATT, etc. They all drive big expensive late model SUVs, sedans. And have stay at home moms. They can afford to pay more taxes.
I don't need the fancy cars, and don't mind paying more taxes.
Who are you to say they should pay more taxes. Its not about what they can afford, its about whats fair.
Where are the tax cuts???
Maybe I earn to much money?
"Who are you to say they should pay more taxes. Its not about what they can afford, its about whats fair. "
I am not saying they should pay more taxes, I am saying I can afford to.
I am saying they waste a lot of money. Big fancy cars. Everywhere. 70 k cars. BB that is a waste.
"I am saying they waste a lot of money. Big fancy cars. Everywhere. 70 k cars. BB that is a waste."
-Raygun
No, that is trickle down! They earn their money and they spend it the way they choose.
"Where are the tax cuts???"
You have seen 0 BB? Just asking. You really have seen nothing?
Nothing!
"No, that is trickle down! They earn their money and they spend it the way they choose."
German cars. Foreign cars. A few Cadillacs.
I see alot of tax increases on the way!
""No, that is trickle down! They earn their money and they spend it the way they choose."
German cars. Foreign cars. A few Cadillacs."
-Raygun
What is wrong with that? That is called freedom of choice. If you want them to buy American, kill the unions.
"kill the unions."
Whatever BB. Did you see Ford is once again the leading world car manufacturer today?
"Whatever BB. Did you see Ford is once again the leading world car manufacturer today?"
-Raygun
Thats because they build car and trucks Americans actually want at a price they can afford.
Where are the tax cuts? I havent seen any and neither have you, right?
"Where are the tax cuts? I havent seen any and neither have you, right? "
I haven't been looking BB. Concentrating on other things.
My problems for the day have been solved. Knock on Wood (kow).
Major issues, now they are all gone, kow.
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