Republicans and Medicare
By PAUL KRUGMAN
The New York Times -- February 11, 2010:
“Don’t cut Medicare. The reform bills passed by the House and Senate cut Medicare by approximately $500 billion. This is wrong.” So declared Newt Gingrich, the former speaker of the House, in a recent op-ed article written with John Goodman, the president of the National Center for Policy Analysis.
And irony died.
Now, Mr. Gingrich was just repeating the current party line. Furious denunciations of any effort to seek cost savings in Medicare — death panels! — have been central to Republican efforts to demonize health reform. What’s amazing, however, is that they’re getting away with it.
Why is this amazing? It’s not just the fact that Republicans are now posing as staunch defenders of a program they have hated ever since the days when Ronald Reagan warned that Medicare would destroy America’s freedom. Nor is it even the fact that, as House speaker, Mr. Gingrich personally tried to ram through deep cuts in Medicare — and, in 1995, went so far as to shut down the federal government in an attempt to bully Bill Clinton into accepting those cuts.
After all, you could explain this about-face by supposing that Republicans have had a change of heart, that they have finally realized just how much good Medicare does. And if you believe that, I’ve got some mortgage-backed securities you might want to buy.
No, what’s truly mind-boggling is this: Even as Republicans denounce modest proposals to rein in Medicare’s rising costs, they are, themselves, seeking to dismantle the whole program. And the process of dismantling would begin with spending cuts of about $650 billion over the next decade. Math is hard, but I do believe that’s more than the roughly $400 billion (not $500 billion) in Medicare savings projected for the Democratic health bills.
What I’m talking about here is the “Roadmap for America’s Future,” the budget plan recently released by Representative Paul Ryan, the ranking Republican member of the House Budget Committee. Other leading Republicans have been bobbing and weaving on the official status of this proposal, but it’s pretty clear that Mr. Ryan’s vision does, in fact, represent what the G.O.P. would try to do if it returns to power.
The broad picture that emerges from the “roadmap” is of an economic agenda that hasn’t changed one iota in response to the economic failures of the Bush years. In particular, Mr. Ryan offers a plan for Social Security privatization that is basically identical to the Bush proposals of five years ago.
But what’s really worth noting, given the way the G.O.P. has campaigned against health care reform, is what Mr. Ryan proposes doing with and to Medicare.
In the Ryan proposal, nobody currently under the age of 55 would be covered by Medicare as it now exists. Instead, people would receive vouchers and be told to buy their own insurance. And even this new, privatized version of Medicare would erode over time because the value of these vouchers would almost surely lag ever further behind the actual cost of health insurance. By the time Americans now in their 20s or 30s reached the age of eligibility, there wouldn’t be much of a Medicare program left.
But what about those who already are covered by Medicare, or will enter the program over the next decade? You’re safe, says the roadmap; you’ll still be eligible for traditional Medicare. Except, that is, for the fact that the plan “strengthens the current program with changes such as income-relating drug benefit premiums to ensure long-term sustainability.”
If this sounds like deliberately confusing gobbledygook, that’s because it is. Fortunately, the Congressional Budget Office, which has done an evaluation of the roadmap, offers a translation: “Some higher-income enrollees would pay higher premiums, and some program payments would be reduced.” In short, there would be Medicare cuts.
And it’s possible to back out the size of those cuts from the budget office analysis, which compares the Ryan proposal with a “baseline” representing current policy. As I’ve already said, the total over the next decade comes to about $650 billion — substantially bigger than the Medicare savings in the Democratic bills.
The bottom line, then, is that the crusade against health reform has relied, crucially, on utter hypocrisy: Republicans who hate Medicare, tried to slash Medicare in the past, and still aim to dismantle the program over time, have been scoring political points by denouncing proposals for modest cost savings — savings that are substantially smaller than the spending cuts buried in their own proposals.
And if Democrats don’t get their act together and push the almost-completed reform across the goal line, this breathtaking act of staggering hypocrisy will succeed.
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"And irony died."
CJP, the lickers are so screwed up they can't see how silly they are. And they don't understand words.
"Wall Street did not create Europe’s debt problem, but bankers enabled Greece and others to borrow beyond their means, in deals that were perfectly legal. "
Those wonderful Bankers
Unregulated bankers, arent they marvel of capitalism?
That's very true. Democrats want to cut it in half.
Unregulated Barney Frank.
Get ready for Cheney to rip Obama a new one tomorrow on ABC.
Anon2, CJP and RG will be in tears by the time it's over. LOL
Ray Gun:
"Those Wonderful Bankers" is a wonderful article.
It appears that Wall Street bankers created deals and used financial derivatives that made the financial crisis in Greece worse than it was before.
Yet, Republicans still don't want to regulate banks or rein in their dangerous financial practices.
When it comes to financial institutions, the GOP believes in laissez-faire, regardless of whether or not risky bank practices ultimately bring down the entire world economy.
"he GOP believes in laissez-faire, regardless of whether or not risky bank practices ultimately bring down the entire world economy."
CJP, I think we won't get regulation until we have another great depression. They say pretty much the same licker attitudes were going on before the 30's stock market crash. After the crash attitudes changed. Stupid lickers are going to make us go through it all again.
This time around I think it will be slightly different. Guessing they will print money hand over fist resulting in inflation. They didn't have that option back in the 30s.
"but bankers enabled Greece and others to borrow beyond their means, in deals that were perfectly legal. "
Its Barney Franks fault.
RayGun said...
"but bankers enabled Greece and others to borrow beyond their means, in deals that were perfectly legal. "
Its Barney Franks fault.
You're right RG. They've also given rich unions unsustainable contracts and they continued to spend beyond their means. Sounds suspiciously like Obama is doing.
RG, those are what you call examples of "backing up an argument".
You know how you libs hate to give examples. Love to 'hit and run' but hate to give examples.
Good old Barney. The Cons will use anyone as a "Fall Guy" to take the people's eye off the ball -- to cover up who the real culprits are for our financial mess.
The Cons -- that's a Congregation where the Conners preach to the Conned.
And, you're right, Ray Gun. Obama moved too quickly to clean up the mess. Now the Cons are back to their same old games. It takes a four year Republican Depression for this country to learn anything, and to stop making the same mistakes all over again.
Don't worry. They Did It Before and They Can Do It Again.
"Love to 'hit and run' but hate to give examples"
HOOT, there are books written on the banking crises and what caused it. What happened can't be put into one liners like Caribou Barbie, w, RayGun, and their ilk like (along with their simple followers) so much.
And your drudge quotes and UTube quotes and Faux News quotes aren't examples, they are, hmmm, lets see, some nice words, how about not entirely true.
CJP said...
Yet, Republicans still don't want to regulate banks or rein in their dangerous financial practices.
You mean how Barney Frank and other democrats demanded we leave fannie and ferdie alone? Do you mean when John McCaine tried to do something about them? Do you mean when democrats immediately played to "racism" card?
Here's Barnie and the dems in action for you from C-span.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxMInSfanqg
THIS VIDEO MAKES IT CLEAR THAT DEMOCRATS DIDN'T WANT TO FIX FANNIE AND FERDIE MAC!
THIS VIDEO MAKES IT CLEAR REPUBLICANS WANTED TO FIX FANNIE AND FERDIE!
QUOTE FROM MAXINE WATERS:
"Mr Chairman, we do not have a crisis at Freddie Mac and in particular Fannie Mae under the outstanding leadership of Mr Frank Rains"
It will be ignored by the Brown Nosers!!
"Good old Barney. The Cons will use anyone as a "Fall Guy""
Utterly amazing that a lowly congressman, and a gay one at that, had the power to defeat the wishes of a sitting president, the senate, and congress, when everything is in such grid lock now. Maybe we should of elected Barney to get stuff done now.
RayGun said...
"Good old Barney. The Cons will use anyone as a "Fall Guy""
Utterly amazing that a lowly congressman, and a gay one at that, had the power to defeat the wishes of a sitting president, the senate, and congress, when everything is in such grid lock now. Maybe we should of elected Barney to get stuff done now.
Good idea. He did such a great job at Fannie and Ferdie.
Failure is a good thing with libs. Somehow they applaud failure.
Watch C-span some time RG. You might learn something.
C-span = informed
The Wire = clueless.
LOL
c-span = knowing the truth
the wire = uninformed and has to believe politician lies
RG said...
Utterly amazing that a lowly congressman, and a gay one at that, had the power to defeat the wishes of a sitting president, the senate, and congress,
Don't give him that much credit. Watch c-span and you'll see Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters and a few other Democrats help Barney.
"This time around I think it will be slightly different. Guessing they will print money hand over fist resulting in inflation. They didn't have that option back in the 30s."---RG
What the Hell do you think that they are doing now? Printing money, under your precious Obama. Printing and spending. Inflation comes next...You aren't getting it yet.
And yes, since Barney Frank was Chairman of Financial Services Committee he should have done something, but instead continued to assure us all that "Freddie and Fannie were sound". Just peachey. (and what does being gay have to do with anything? typical liberal.)
"and what does being gay have to do with anything? typical liberal."
Uhh, Cons and their God are the ones that hate gays.
So I repeat, with added clarification.
Utterly amazing that a lowly congressman, and a gay one at that, a gay one that the cons and their God have special disdain for (just because he is gay), had the power to defeat the wishes of a sitting president, the senate, and congress.
And now, when the sitting president is a democrat, congress and the senate are democrat controlled, we have complete gridlock (ie, when you cons want something, you can get it). Again, that is one powerful man. Especially knowing the cons love of money, how did they allow a gay man, who wants to give all money to the poor, nearly bring down the entire global financial community? Bring down the cons true God?
Utterly amazing.
Okay, RG. I think that you need to give all of YOUR money to the poor. That would be a good start. Let's just start there. And when polled as to the "don't ask, don't tell" policy, 64% of Americans---dems and republicans said that it didn't matter. NO ONE CARES IF SOMEONE IS GAY. Yes, you have your fringe--both sides have the fringe. Don't lable us all, because of a radical fringe. I know that to blame this on religious people is a comfort to you, but you are fooling yourself. The truth of the matter is that being in the position that Frank was in, all of those people looked to him to get an honest assesment of the condition of Freddie and Fannie.
Could it be that his desire to "give all of the money to the poor" got in the way of his judgement and helped to bring about all of this mess? Look at Freddie and Fannie now; still in trouble and in need of constant tax payer funds!
Now the printing of, and spending of money...How is that going to pan out for you?
RG said...
Especially knowing the cons love of money, how did they allow a gay man, who wants to give all money to the poor, nearly bring down the entire global financial community?
Easy....just scream "racist"!
RG said...
Utterly amazing that a lowly congressman, and a gay one at that, a gay one that the cons and their God have special disdain for (just because he is gay),
Leave it to a lib to try and turn the conversation to a person being gay.
This is the way you turn the conversation away from point that is being made. A point that this Brown Noser doesn't want to acknowledge.
I have noticed that it is always someone else's fault. You guys cannot accept responsiblity for your own failures. Barney Frank is a failure. It isn't because he is gay, or fat, or talks like Daffy Duck. It is because he is a giant failure and a giant idiot.
Fannie and Freddie didn't fail because of religion. It FAILED because the people in cahrge of overseeing it failed to DO THEIR JOB and BE HONEST.
"Okay, RG. I think that you need to give all of YOUR money to the poor. That would be a good start. Let's just start there."
-Casey
Liberals never use their own money to help the poor. Liberals define help as throwing other peoples money at them.
I dont think they will ever understand their are ways to let the poor help themselves!
Right. Liberals like to throw other people's money at the problem. Problem is, it never really solves the problem, does it?
On topic:
Health insurance companies ARE the death panels.
The CONS, due to brainwashing, will definitely have a bit of a problem understanding the above.
Anyone with an open mind will capture it immediately.
Hey Anon2...what about that slavery in Canada?
"Health insurance companies ARE the death panels."
But cons, aka lickers (Google Teabagger) think that any business does everything better than the government. And they may actually be right for once. The business will actually reduce medical expense (let people die), through denying claims, but the saved money (blood money) will just go into the CEOs pockets. Never mind about the licks being right, they are wrong once again.
RG said...
But cons, aka lickers (Google Teabagger) think that any business does everything better than the government.
Give me an example of what type of business the government does better than a private company?
Just ruined Rg's day.
RG said...
The business will actually reduce medical expense (let people die), through denying claims, but the saved money (blood money) will just go into the CEOs pockets. Never mind about the licks being right, they are wrong once again.
Here's what Anon2 thinks of government controlled health care:
People (usually con supported) on USA TV ads are lying about our health care. ONLY PROBLEM IS SOME WAITING TIME, depending how urgent the case is.
.........WAITING TIME. lmao
Brown Nosers think the government can do it better.
"Give me an example of what type of business the government does better than a private company?
Just ruined Rg's day."
Ill give you 2. The military and the police. Cons 2 favorite organizations.
Oh the irony.
".........WAITING TIME. lmao"
Go look in the mirror HOOT, and tell us if you look as silly as you sound.
RayGun said...
"Give me an example of what type of business the government does better than a private company?
Just ruined Rg's day."
Ill give you 2. The military and the police. Cons 2 favorite organizations.
Business RG? How much profit is the military or the police supposed to make?
No wonder you don't like giving examples. These are the stupidest examples of businesses.
Let's try this again Brown Noser
Real business makes a profit.
Give me an example of the government doing business that doesn't lose profits.
It's amazing how you pat yourself on the back for stupid comments.
military and the police.
This is what the government should be doing Brown Noser. Keeping us safe from harm.
Not getting into bed with banks and car companies.
Those, Brown Noser, are real businesses.
Hey stupid HOOTER, what about BlackWater? Aren't they a business. Aren't they a type of military, a type of police? Cant you compare Blackwater to the military and police?
More hot air from the HOOT Ninny.
"I’ve been troubled by reporting that focuses almost exclusively on European debts and deficits, conveying the impression that it’s all about government profligacy — and feeding into the narrative of our own deficit hawks, who want to slash spending even in the face of mass unemployment, and hold Greece up as an object lesson of what will happen if we don’t. "
"But with its warm weather and beaches, Spain was also the Florida of Europe — and like Florida, it experienced a huge housing boom. The financing for this boom came largely from outside the country: there were giant inflows of capital from the rest of Europe, Germany in particular."
Barney strikes again. He's little, hes gay, but is he ever powerful.
Krugman
HOOTs new name, in my book, is HOTAIR. And since he is so full of it, everyone but he understands that we are not evading his questions, we are just ignoring his hot air.
Barney. He's little, hes gay, and is he ever powerful.
Funny that a little gay man is in such control of the con lickers God, money.
RayGun said...
Hey stupid HOOTER, what about BlackWater? Aren't they a business. Aren't they a type of military, a type of police? Cant you compare Blackwater to the military and police?
They must be doing a better job because they're still there.
Wasn't it Dick Durbin who said the US military was killing innocent people. Wasn't John Murtha who said our troop can't take the stress?
More bad examples........Lib style.
RG, I think you might have a gay phobia. Why else would you repeat it so often?
"Wasn't it Dick Durbin who said the US military was killing innocent people. Wasn't John Murtha who said our troop can't take the stress?"
HOTAIR is unpatriotic for merely repeating disparagement of our troops like that. If you don't like the military, maybe you need to leave the country. Who does that last line sound like? Hint, they like licking scrotums (teabaggers, Google it).
I don't hate gays, thats the cons job. I think its disgusting to lick scrotum's, like teabaggers do, but I would never try and outlaw it.
HomophobeGun should talk to him dem politians. They really enjoyed telling the American people what monsters the military people are.
Should I post some videos so you can see from their own mouths HomophobeGun?
Anyway, real examples please.
HomoPhobeGun said...
I think its disgusting to lick scrotum's, like teabaggers do, but I would never try and outlaw it.
Like I said, just let them speak and they tell you what they are really about.
Don't be so disgusted HomoPhobeGun.
For the record, as cons get so little, especially HOTAIR,I like woman teabaggers.
And it's fine with me, you teabaggers do whatever you want, except don't destroy the country like you nearly did with w.
HomoPhobeGun said...
I think its disgusting to lick scrotum's, like teabaggers do, but I would never try and outlaw it.
Why don't you like gays? Why do you think they're disgusting?
"He's little, hes gay, but is he ever powerful."---RG
God, RG--you just brought up Barney's sexual preference again! You are the ONLY one that mentions it!
And HOTR is right. You have not given him an example of a sucessful business that the government runs. BTW. The police are not federally run---yet
Anon2----I am still waiting....
How stupid do you have to be to name your party after a sexual act, knowing your party is queasy about almost every sexual act?
And your bag licking party is run by the queen of stupid Palin. Baaaahhhhaaaaa haaaa haa, cough cough, I have to quite laughing so hard. Hows that tax cut thingey workin for you aahl? Stupid lickers never even knew they got one. How dumb can you be? Baaaa haaaa haaa.
Here's one to make their heads explode...
How 'bout that global warming? Don't you feel kinda silly now that the major scientist that was touting it admitted to the BBC that there has been no evidence of global warming since 1995? And where IS Al Gore these days?
It is called the TeaParty Movement. You guys coined the term "teabaggers". Figures.
Gore is ahead of his time. He helped push the Internet decades ago.You cons know the tube thing.
Hey tea baggers, you spent 200 million prosecuting Bill for a BJ, now you have a scrotum sack on your movements flag? What gives there. Baaaah haaaaa haaaaa.
Hey HOTAIR, considering how full you are of it, and your penchant for being a tea bagger, maybe you could do us a favor and use a breath mint.
Baaaahaaaa haaaaa, haaaa, cough.
RayGun said...
Gore is ahead of his time. He helped push the Internet decades ago.You cons know the tube thing.
yeah sure......
RayGun said...
Hey HOTAIR, considering how full you are of it, and your penchant for being a tea bagger, maybe you could do us a favor and use a breath mint.
It's very telling that you would use offensive jokes about the gay community.
I feel bad for you that you don't even realize you're being offensive to the gay community.
I didn't really think you were a homophobe but with every silly offensive comment you make I stop and wonder.
RayGun, you are not being a friend to the gay community with your stupid comments.
It's probably a good time to get over your problem.
I don't really want to go in circles with you on this.
I want to get it out in the open HOTAIR. You cons, aka lickers, are the ones dictating to others, because of your Gods dislikes, what people should and should not do. Are you going to drop your God HOTAIR? Either listen to him, help the poor hate homos, or drop him. Thanks HOTAIR for bringing up the subject and maybe facing reality; it's a step that mankind needs to make.
RG
because of your Gods dislikes, what people should and should not do
Who's god are you talking about? I guess you don't know me very well.
RG said...
Thanks HOTAIR for bringing up the subject and maybe facing reality
You're welcome. Maybe now you can get help for your homophobia.
"Who's god are you talking about? I guess you don't know me very well."
Your party's God, all Gods, have caused a lot of problems lately. And everyone's Gods, sure seem to be hung up on sex. Comon HOOT, can't you admit that He is causing a lot of problems?
Good night homophobe. I'm glad you're facing reality.
Carry on with your offensive comments. I'm out! Jerk!
Comon HOOT, can't you admit that He is causing a lot of problems?
You talk like you believe. You probably believe more than me.
I'm gone.
Hey, Ray Gun, it seems that neither Casey nor HOTR is a Homophobe. Yet they are both Conservatives. That's unbelievable.
Where did you ever find them? What a tiny minority they are. It's like finding two needles in a haystack.
Two Non-Homophobic Cons. Can you imagine? It's like finding two angels dancing on the head of a pin.
I hope their fellow Cons don't find out. The two of them would be drummed out of the party.
LOL CJP.
They are a contrary bunch. Up is down and right is left. The cognitive dissonance has clearly done brain damage.
CJP said...
I hope their fellow Cons don't find out. The two of them would be drummed out of the party.
Do you mean like Evan Bayh got thrown out for being a blue dog? You know he's quitting for two reasons.
1-he knows a republican will win.
2-democrats have been hijacked by the libs and their is no room for an independent dem.
JP said....
Two Non-Homophobic Cons. Can you imagine? It's like finding two angels dancing on the head of a pin.
Just what we needed. Another idiot lib jumping into the homophobic conversation with unnecessary comments.
What's next CJP and RG?
Are you going to talk about Blacks and Hispanics?
CJP, I see why you hardly make any comments. So many other things to talk about but you had to comment on this. You pathetic Brown Noser. Please wipe the shit of the tip of your nose.
CJP said...
Hey, Ray Gun, it seems that neither Casey nor HOTR is a Homophobe. Yet they are both Conservatives. That's unbelievable.
CJP is very witty. And an idiot.
I'm going to try to make this a somewhat credible thread and ask CJP and RayGun a serious question.
I'm a little confused as to what you think a conservative is. Please tell my what you think a conservative is.
I'm not looking for silly comments or jokes. Just your serious thought about conservatives.
(8) We support retention of the Defense of Marriage Act;
Lickers purity test number 8. Aka, we don't agree with homosexuals getting married. Aka, homosexuality is an abomination to God. Aka, we will tell them what to do and dictate it through law.
I get your perception of homosexuality. I know you have an inbred need to keep repeating it and it's so fucking tiresome.
I know you hate some dude in the sky.
What are your thoughts about fiscal conservative?
Anon2 said...
"On topic:
Health insurance companies ARE the death panels."
Not only are Health Insurance Co's death panels.....
CONS ARE death panels as well since they refuse Health Care to every citizen in the USA.
@Caseyboy. I said my stuff about the USA and slavery. No need to add except that all historians of all particular countries will NEVER write the TRUTH. Too terrible to face the truth. It will take centuries for the people to face up to their crimes of the past. So much for taking history as a major in school. lol Believe only in dates, the rest is filler.
"@Caseyboy. I said my stuff about the USA and slavery. No need to add except that all historians of all particular countries will NEVER write the TRUTH. Too terrible to face the truth. It will take centuries for the people to face up to their crimes of the past. So much for taking history as a major in school."---Anon2
To begin...Calling me "Caseyboy" is your idea of a slam against me? That's funny AND juvenile!
2nd:So... historians don't write the truth? Who does Anon2? Oh---maybe YOU were actually THERE prior to 1830? Admitidily you are OLD....but I had no idea.
As for my major: At least I HAVE one. And at least I don't make ignorant statements that simply aren't true. Canada had slaves, as did Europe. Canada mistreated their native peoples, as Canadian settlers were mostly Europeans, as were American settlers. 2+2 really does equal 4 Anon2. Quit sniping on America when your country was just as guilty of the same sins as ours.
And Anon2? Your (above) statement didn't even make sense. What were you trying to say? Was that supposed to be a "gottcha"?
Anon2 said...
Health insurance companies ARE the death panels."
Not only are Health Insurance Co's death panels.....
__________________________________
People (usually con supported) on USA TV ads are lying about our health care. ONLY PROBLEM IS SOME WAITING TIME, depending how urgent the case is.
_________________________________
Yes, Anon2 certainly knows what she's talking about.
JHC, you know how much furthur A2 is advanced than us (US). All countries (relatively speaking) are far ahead of us in development. On all levels, but especially health care.
RayGun said...
JHC, you know how much furthur A2 is advanced than us (US). All countries (relatively speaking) are far ahead of us in development. On all levels, but especially health care.
Canada's health care is great. As long as you don't mind waiting.
"Canada's health care is great. As long as you don't mind waiting. "
--
Canada pays about 1/3+ what we do on health care. If I was Canadian, which I may someday be, I would take my 2/3s- savings and buy a Canadian supplemental policy that would allow me quick access.
RayGun said...
"Canada's health care is great. As long as you don't mind waiting. "
--
Canada pays about 1/3+ what we do on health care. If I was Canadian, which I may someday be, I would take my 2/3s- savings and buy a Canadian supplemental policy that would allow me quick access.
Are you calling Anon2 a liar?
No offense RG but I have to take her word the people have "to wait" because she knows the system better than you or I.
"have "to wait" because she knows the system better than you "
--
A2, can you buy supplemental health care in Canada? Are you forbidden to hire your own private doctor? Can't a Canadian health care company come up with a CHOICE of private supplemental insurance, in addition to whats provided by the government???
Quebec doctors: Time for euthanasia has come...
http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Doctors+back+right/2568891/story.html
Oh boy RG. You're right. They are ahead of their time.
Did someone say something about death panels?
Comon HOOT, if you work hard, pay your dues, buy supplemental health insurance, you won't get killed by the death panels. Money...
RayGun said...
Comon HOOT, if you work hard, pay your dues, buy supplemental health insurance, you won't get killed by the death panels. Money...
I got to tell you RG, I lived in the Bronx for close to 30 years. I know poor little old ladies who went for a routine checkup and ended up getting stints put into their arteries. Immediately. From the clinic straight to the operating room. No waiting and with no money. It sounds like the same little old lady would not be so lucky in Canada.
So I don't get your meaning. Do you think people that don't have money don't get care.
Like I said, in the Bronx I knew some of the healthiest people I've ever met. Most of them poor.
RayGun said...
Comon HOOT, if you work hard, pay your dues, buy supplemental health insurance, you won't get killed by the death panels. Money...
Always making assumptions. I didn't see Anon2 reply to your question.
If I was Canadian, which I may someday be,--RG
Gee Rg. I thought you were moving to The Netherlands. Oh well. We will miss you when you go to Canada. Enjoy that healthcare, at least you won't be able to vote here any longer once you become Canadian :)
Dual citizenship.
Half my posts are not getting through.
Im moving...
"Dual citizenship."---RG
That's cheating. You can't be Canadian with dual citizenship! If you are going to do it, you need to Jump right in and make the commitment. Go all the way. Be Canadian.
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