Friday, March 5, 2010

The Tea Party Is All About Race -- No Wonder The Teabaggers Are As Mad as a March Hare

From The Huffington Post -- MARCH 5, 2010

The Tea Party Is All About Race

By Bob Cesca

I was going to open this piece with an analogy about the tea party groups and why they're treated seriously by the press and the Republicans. The analogy would go something like: "Imagine [insert left-wing activist group here] getting a serious profile in a mainstream newspaper, and imagine serious Democratic politicians appearing at their convention."

The problem is, when I really evaluated what the various far-left activist groups are all about and compared them with the tea party movement, there really wasn't any equivalency. At all.

Because when you strip away all of the rage, all of the nonsensical loud noises and all of the contradictions, all that's left is race. The tea party is almost entirely about race, and there's no comparative group on the left that's similarly motivated by bigotry, ignorance and racial hatred.

I hasten to note that I'm talking about real racism, insofar as it's impossible for the majority race -- the 70 percent white majority -- to be on the receiving end of racism. That is unless white males, for example, are suddenly an oppressed racial demographic. But judging by the racial composition of, say, the Senate or AM talk radio or the cast members playing the Obamas on SNL, I don't think white people have anything to worry about.

This isn't an epiphany by any stretch. From the beginning, with their witch doctor imagery, watermelon agitprop and Curious George effigies, the wingnut right has been dying to blurt out, as Lee Atwater famously said, "nigger, nigger, nigger!"

But they can't.

Strike that. Correction. TeaParty.org founder Dale Robertson brandished a sign with the (misspelled) word "niggar." So they're not even as restrained as the generally unstrung Atwater anymore.

Most of the time, they merely imply the use of the word. Rush Limbaugh referring to the president as a "black man-child," for example. Every week, a new example pops up on the radio and somehow the offenders are able to keep their job while Howard Stern is fined for saying the comparatively innocuous word "blumpkin." Limbaugh, on the other hand, can stoke racial animosity on his show by suggesting that health care reform is a civil rights bill -- reparations -- and no one seems to mind. And no, the impotence isn't an adequate Karmic punishment for Limbaugh's roster of trespasses.

The tea party is an extension of talk radio. It's an extension of Fox News Channel. It's an extension of the southern faction of the Republican Party -- the faction that gave us the Southern Strategy, the Willie Horton ad, the White Hands ad and the racially divisive politics of Lee Atwater and Karl Rove. It's an extension of the race-baiting and, often, the outright racism evident in all of those conservative spheres.

But unlike the heavy-handedness of Dale Robertson and others, the tea party followers are generally more veiled about why they're so outraged by our current president.

In the New York Times this past weekend, David Barstow profiled a teabagger from Idaho:

SANDPOINT, Idaho -- Pam Stout has not always lived in fear of her government. She remembers her years working in federal housing programs, watching government lift struggling families with job training and education. She beams at the memory of helping a Vietnamese woman get into junior college.

But all that was before the Great Recession and the bank bailouts, before Barack Obama took the White House by promising sweeping change on multiple fronts, before her son lost his job and his house. Mrs. Stout said she awoke to see Washington as a threat, a place where crisis is manipulated -- even manufactured -- by both parties to grab power.

Now you might be saying to yourself, I don't see the racism here. But if you eliminate all of the reasons for Stout's participation in the tea party movement as being contradictory or nonsensical, all that's left is race.

Let's deconstruct.

She claims to be against the bank bailouts, but the tea party is against the president's bank fee designed to recover the TARP money. They also appear to be against financial regulatory reform. None of this makes any sense. If tea partiers are against the bailouts, basic logic dictates that they ought to be in favor of getting the money back. Or do they prefer that the banks keep the money and orchestrate further meltdowns? Honestly, I'm not even entirely sure they realize that the bailouts and the recovery act (stimulus) are two different things. But they're also against the recovery act -- you know, whatever that is.

She also told the New York Times that she's tired of politicians "manufacturing crisis."

Right. Three things here.

First, where was she -- where were the teabaggers -- when the far-right endorsed and supported a massive increase in the size of government, unitary executive power grabs and unconstitutional measures fueled by fear-mongering over the very remote threat of terrorism? Crickets chirping. The odds of being killed in an airborne terrorist attack are literally 1 in 10 million. You're much more likely to kill yourself than to be killed by a terrorist.

Second, I refuse to believe that health care is a "manufactured crisis." People are going broke and dying every day. Even the most conservative estimates show that there are 9/11-level casualties each month due to a lack of adequate health insurance. The horror stories are readily available online. Google "health insurance horror story" and see how manufactured the crisis is.

Third, look at any bar graph of the economy as of one year ago or any basic jobs number and tell me if the crisis is manufactured. Hell, Pam Stout's son lost his house! How can she possibly suggest the economic crisis was manufactured?

I hate to single out one person, but Stout's incongruous anger is indicative of the entire movement.

From the outset, the tea party was based on a contradictory premise (the original tea party was a protest against a corporate tax cut). And when you throw out all of the nonsense and contradictions, there's nothing left except race. There's no other way to explain why these people were silent and compliant for so long, and only decided to collectively freak out when this "foreign" and "exotic" president came along and, right out of the chute, passed the largest middle class tax cut in American history -- something they would otherwise support, for goodness sake, it was $288 billion in tax cuts! -- we're left to deduce no other motive but the ugly one that lurks just beneath the pale flesh, the tri-corner hats and the dangly tea bag ornamentation.

Irrespective of whether the president passed a huge tax cut or went out of his way to bring Republicans into the health care process, the seeds of racial animosity from the far-right were sown during the campaign. In those lines waiting for then-vice presidential candidate and current tea party heroine Sarah Palin, their loud noises spread the pre-scripted lies, lies that entirely hinged on the president's African heritage. A white candidate would never be accused of being a secret Muslim. A white candidate would never be accused of being a foreign usurper. Only a black candidate with a foreign name would be accused of "palling around with domestic terrorists."

In the final analysis, when you boil away all of the weirdness, it becomes clear that the teabaggers are pissed because there isn't yet another doddering old white guy in the White House -- like they're used to. That's what this is all about.

By way of a postscript, one of the many faceless radio talk show wingnuts, Jim Quinn, this week called President Obama a "Kenyan wuss" who should be "slapped silly." The Kenyan lie and the "slap silly" insult aside, this president is no wuss. You know how I know? He's a black man who ran for president and won despite the growing mob of gun-toting militant white bigots like Jim Quinn who are sucking air in America. President Obama achieving this despite the hatred and threats against him takes serious guts. Guts that Jim Quinn and the tea party movement will never understand.

139 comments:

Anon2 said...

I fully agree with the article and then some.

Thanks CJP for posting it in it's entirety.

For some reason I always believed since Obama won the election that the anger shown by the right was/is based on underlying racism.

I believe that during the Address to the State of the Union the "while man" who screamed "you lie" would have never said those words if the president would have been white.

Same with the judge of the Supreme Court in the last State of the Union Address.

One could almost hear the "b" word. There is a definite lack of respect for Obama, much less than for other preceding presidents.

I have heard on several occasions that plenty more threats to kill Obama have occurred than with any other white president.

The article proves me right.

PS: Don't fret, I'm white and strongly believe in justice, respect and dignity for all. We all bleed the same color blood and have feelings. Feelings that CONS lack imo.

Ain't it funny that when I express a feeling or fact about cons, a few days later an article appears in the media about the very same subject(s)

Anon2 said...

The fact is that the Repugnicans RNC in their quest for donations adopted a certain picture of Obama depicted as a clown.

By adopting the picture from the teabaggers, I arrive to the conclusion that the ENTIRE party is extremist, not just a lunar fringe. The ENTIRE CON/REPUG party IS EXTREMIST.

RayGun said...

Oh crazy cons, we beseech you to rein in your ruinious quest to create ever greater wealth inequality through your misguided policies. Dear cons, aka lickers, history shows anyone, even the blindest of the blind, that tremendous societal conflagrations begin, with the sparks created from the very same wealth disparity that you so fervently seek.

Why cons do you seek to live in the past? Why cons don't you learn from history? Why cons do you seek to cheney us with the shackles of tyranny, you pretend to so fervently oppose?

Why, why, why?

Cons, your God Mammon, is Satan in disguise. Open your eyes and see. You are the ones dragging us into the abyss of tyranny. God damn you cons, and your Father fixation (JHC, I have to spell everything out for the cons. Here goes: Cons are obsessed with their fathers. Their Father in heaven, their fore fathers, paternal fathers, probably forgetting a few fathers, hence they have father fixations) issues.

You Damn us all. Well, here and now, I say God damn you all cons, as He soon will.

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Casey said...

"Ain't it funny that when I express a feeling or fact about cons, a few days later an article appears in the media about the very same subject(s)"---
Anon2

I guess we just have to add clairvoyance to your vast list of amazing attributes! You deserve to pat yourself on the back. Go ahead---oh. you already have.

Casey said...

Would that be a picture of the Joker? Because don't read anything more into it. It was done to Bush as well.

RayGun said...

A2, I really like HP. And Bob Cesca. Bill Mayer is my favorite.

Starting to become a little worried about HPs sudden swing to the dark side, the religious guys. I guess the left religious guys don't bother me near as much as the right religious guys. The right religious guys are like Jesus's parables, they do the exact opposite you think they should do. You know, love money, hate for the poor, etc.

RayGun said...

Hey Anonymous "http://www.polital-bull.com/" your link is no good. Are you just practicing with the tube thingy? What gives? Give Al Gore a call.

Anon2 said...

Raygun said...

"Bill Mayer is my favorite."

Mine as well. He's quite an intelligent intellectual comedian! Do you visit his website to see some clips?

One of these days I'm gonna subscribe to HBO in order to hear him more often.

Have no idea who HP is.

RayGun said...

HP==HuffingtonPost.

I want HBO also. Will try and buy a package deal some day. HBO series, The Wire, and The Sopranos are incredible. Some of the best written stuff I have ever seen. Mad Men is very good also, but not HBO.

Watched The Crucible today, on NetFlix. Cons should have to watch that movie. Daniel Day Lewis, Wynona Ryder, Salem witch trials etc. Second half of the movie was very good.

Anon2 said...

Raygun said...

"HP==HuffingtonPost."

LOL Thank you RG. Thought HP was a person and never thought it to be Huffington Post although I visit there daily. Then, it could have been Hewlett Packard? Just kidding. lol

There is a HBO Canada available here in a package deal, but am not interested in the other stations. I would get HBO only to see Bill Maher. Sometimes he appears on Larry King Live.

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RayGun said...

Why are cons so misguided that they don't see they are pushing us towards communism?

RayGun said...

A2, I found a ton of Maher on Net Flix. Not sure if its all his shows, but maybe the best ones?

I love NetFlix, no commercials and play on demand.

RayGun said...

In cons nutty world, left is right, up is down, evil is good, and they see commies everywhere but in their own mirror. Crazy stuff.

Anon2 said...

Raygun said...

"A2, I found a ton of Maher on Net Flix. Not sure if its all his shows, but maybe the best ones?

I love NetFlix, no commercials and play on demand."

Checked out Net Flix. They service the USA only. Zip.ca is comparable but quite a bit more expensive than renting a movie on demand from my cable provider.

Thanks anyway RG. :)

PS: most everything you say about the cons is true.

Casey said...

Hey RG---Why don't you ask for pictures of Anon2 in a bikini?

RayGun said...

A2, Case and I would like to see some bikini picks. Thanks.

Brandon said...

"Why are cons so misguided that they don't see they are pushing us towards communism?"
-Raygun

How did you come to that conclusion? This article is a total load of crap. I guess it is easier to try to move the focus away from the point the tea party members are making than to address them.

Deficit spending
Job creation
Pork spending
Corruption in government
Health care B.S.(misrepresenting the bill)

Brandon said...

"For some reason I always believed since Obama won the election that the anger shown by the right was/is based on underlying racism."
-Anon2

Do you really think that everything would be fine between republicans and democrats if Obama were white? NO!!! You liberals sure wouldnt be able to play that race card it he were white. I guess when you cant argue with logic you guys resort to name calling.

Anon2 said...

Casey said...

"Hey RG---Why don't you ask for pictures of Anon2 in a bikini?"

She who quacks like a butch IS a butch. LMAO

Anon2 said...

I'm not the only Liberal who thinks like that. Cons listening to Faux, Limbaugh etc. way too much eh?

Grow up Brandon.

Brandon said...

"I'm not the only Liberal who thinks like that. Cons listening to Faux, Limbaugh etc. way too much eh?

Grow up Brandon."
-Anon2

So which is it? Are conservative just racist or do they listen to Fox news to much?

Do you really think that everything would be fine between republicans and democrats if Obama were white? NO!!! You liberals sure wouldnt be able to play that race card it he were white. I guess when you cant argue with logic you guys resort to name calling.

You liberals can believe what you want because its clear that you guys will never open your eyes to the truth about anything. At least conservative will admit their party isnt perfect.

Casey said...

"She who quacks like a butch IS a butch. LMAO"---Anon2

Gee...That isn't very liberal of you. See? Scratch the surface...

I don't want to see pictures of you at all, but RG has asked for cheezy photos of me on several occasions, and I won't give em up. I thought maybe you could help him out. After all, he is a horney married man and needs sympathy :}
C'mon Anon2. You must have something. Maybe an old pic of you at Woodstock---or a Grateful Dead concert?

Casey said...

I don't know about the radical fringe, but the statement below is what the vast majority of people are upset and concerned about---NOT the color of his skin!

"The 10-year outlook released by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office is somewhat gloomier than White House projections, which found that Obama's budget request would produce deficits that would add about $8.5 trillion to the national debt by 2020."

RayGun said...

"She who quacks like a butch IS a butch. LMAO "

Maybe she didn't know, just like she didn't know she was a commie.

Although I am not like cons, and like to tell others what to do, so I don't mind lesbian women. Please send pictures. Thanks.

Brandon said...

this president is no wuss. You know how I know? He's a black man who ran for president and won despite the growing mob of gun-toting militant white bigots like Jim Quinn who are sucking air in America. President Obama achieving this despite the hatred and threats against him takes serious guts. Guts that Jim Quinn and the tea party movement will never understand."
-CJP

Every president is faced with threats, yet they still run. Does that mean that every president we have ever had isnt a wuss?

President Obama had a 98% approval rating among blacks and blacks represent about 12% of our population. So I think it is safe to say Obama got almost 12% of the total votes simple for being black! If Obama were a republican he probably still would have won!

RayGun said...

"This is what led Ronald Reagan to declare that deregulation would solve the problems of thrift institutions — the actual result was huge losses"

"That’s why we need an independent agency protecting financial consumers — again, something Canada did right "

Krugman

Wouldn't that be terrible irony, that the cons precious Reagan, brings down our entire financial system spawned by his deregulation and that which is still being perpetuated?

Cons just can't see, that Reagen's deregulation worked for about 10 minutes, but also created the necessity for a huge financial bailout (10-15 years ago)

Ricco said...

Just now came across your blog. I'm curious why the url says "communists" instead of "terrorists" ? Is that explained somewhere early on in the blog ?

Casey said...

I just went to the website: teaparty.org that was mentioned in this article. I saw very clearly stated the goals and beliefs of this organization. I did not see anything to suggest racism. I did not see anything misspelled.
I believe that if the blantant racism mentioned in this article (signs, statements, etc)were in fact true, it would be splashed all over the news, and yet, I have not seen a single film clip or picture of a racist sign. I don't buy it.
I am not a TeaParty person, But I do respect the right of these people to be able to voice their opinions and goals.

Casey said...

"I'm curious why the url says "communists" instead of "terrorists" --Ricco

That is because for some reason these people believe that conservatives want to usher in communism....? I know that it makes no sense, because conservatives want LESS federal government intrusion, but they are confused. Not sure what these people stand for. They don't make it very clear. I think that they call themselves Progressives, but not one of them will tell me what that means...

RayGun said...

Liberal are like cons in some regards. They keep trying the same things hoping for different results.

For example, cons think cutting taxes to the rich and deregulating will solve all our countries ills, when time and time again it has shown that in only creates massive problems.

For example, liberals think you just keep providing whatever the poor needs and they will eventually take care of themselves. Didn't work with lifetime welfare available.

Progressives on the other hand learn from mistakes and apply that to the future. For example, progressives like Clinton learned that people can not be given a lifetime of welfare as many will use it. So the limit is 5 years now, I believe.

The difference in a nutshell, in my opinion.

Casey said...

"Progressives on the other hand learn from mistakes and apply that to the future. For example, progressives like Clinton learned that people can not be given a lifetime of welfare as many will use it. So the limit is 5 years now, I believe."---RG

I don't think that you have the right definition of a Progressive. I think that you need to find out more about it. Conservatives feel that same way about welfare. All conservatives believe that there needs to be a safety net for people that need one, but there have to be limits set. Hillary identified herself as an early
20th century Progressive. That is not such a good thing if you read about the party and what they stood for. I don't know that Bill considered himself a Progressive.
Actually you can go to a Marxist website or 2 and they thank the Progressives for their funding and support.
I really didn't need to know the difference RG. I already know. Just wanted to see what you thought, considering CJP mentioned liberals AND Progressives. Most people think that they are one and the same.

RayGun said...

Make up any definition you want. Here's my definition:

pro·gres·sive

1.favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, esp. in political matters: a progressive mayor.

2.making progress toward better conditions; employing or advocating more enlightened or liberal ideas, new or experimental methods, etc.: a progressive community.

3.characterized by such progress, or by continuous improvement.

4.(initial capital letter) of or pertaining to any of the Progressive parties in politics.

Casey said...

That says nothing. That may be YOUR definition, but hardly what the party is. Why not find out, RG?

RayGun said...

Sounds like a non learning tea bagging con to me.

con·serv·a·tive

1. disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.

2.cautiously moderate or purposefully low: a conservative estimate.

3.traditional in style or manner; avoiding novelty or showiness: conservative suit.

Brandon said...

"For example, liberals think you just keep providing whatever the poor needs and they will eventually take care of themselves."
-Raygun

So why do you think a lifetime of health insurance will be any different?

RayGun said...

"So why do you think a lifetime of health insurance will be any different? "

Comon BB, why do you support the health insurance industry, the system, when it has so clearly done such a poor job. With regards to health care.

Brandon said...

"Comon BB, why do you support the health insurance industry, the system, when it has so clearly done such a poor job. With regards to health care."
-Raygun

1. I dont think they are doing a poor job. It may not be perfect but I can go to the hospital and get care when I need it and I am not rich.

2. I certaintly dont want to turn my health over to the government, they have ran everything else into the shitter and I know they cant do better with health insurance or health care.

Raygun

Have you looked into HSA yet?

RayGun said...

1. I dont think they are doing a poor job. It may not be perfect but I can go to the hospital and get care when I need it and I am not rich.

Wait until you get cancer and have a 1 million dollar bill. Then see how your insurance will treat you.

2. I certaintly dont want to turn my health over to the government, they have ran everything else into the shitter and I know they cant do better with health insurance or health care.

Every other country in the world does a better job then we do (by a factor of around 4). And we will always have premium coverage for those willing to pay.

Brandon said...

"Wait until you get cancer and have a 1 million dollar bill. Then see how your insurance will treat you."
-Raygun

I know two people with private insurance who have had cancer. Both of them had no issues with them paying for what they agreed upon. I dont know anyone who has been screwed by their health insurance company. If they wont pay for something they have to, sue the shit out of them...

Why not set min. coverage for health insurance companies? Would that make you happy?

"Every other country in the world does a better job then we do (by a factor of around 4)."
-Raygun

You know that is a lie!

RayGun said...

"ou know that is a lie! "

We are ranked 37th in quality at 2-3 times the price. Close enough.

Brandon said...

"We are ranked 37th in quality at 2-3 times the price. Close enough."
-Raygun

At the same time we are ranked #1 in other areas!

Brandon said...

"Wait until you get cancer and have a 1 million dollar bill. Then see how your insurance will treat you."
-Raygun

I know two people with private insurance who have had cancer. Both of them had no issues with them paying for what they agreed upon. I dont know anyone who has been screwed by their health insurance company. If they wont pay for something they have to, sue the shit out of them...

Why not set min. coverage for health insurance companies? Would that make you happy?

RayGun said...

"At the same time we are ranked #1 in other areas! "

1 other area.

RayGun said...

"Why not set min. coverage for health insurance companies?"

BB, you knucklehead, min coverage is fine. But if all people are not required to buy insurance, then only the sick will buy it. Then the costs will increase dramatically. That is exactly what is happening now. The healthy are dropping insurance, and the insurance companies are massively increasing rates, to cover the unhealthy. Do you read the news?

Brandon said...

"At the same time we are ranked #1 in other areas! "

1 other area."
-Raygun

Yes one area, that is something no other country can say they are better than us. We are also very high on the list for cancer treatments.

Brandon said...

Bottom line, out health care is better than you want admit.

RayGun said...

"We are also very high on the list for cancer treatments."

Yes, high on cancer care, that the big food businesses are likely causing. Thanks big business.

BB, maybe watch "Fast Food".

RayGun said...

"Bottom line, out health care is better than you want admit. "

I say its great BB, but at a huge cost.

Brandon said...

"BB, you knucklehead, min coverage is fine. But if all people are not required to buy insurance, then only the sick will buy it. Then the costs will increase dramatically. That is exactly what is happening now. The healthy are dropping insurance, and the insurance companies are massively increasing rates, to cover the unhealthy. Do you read the news?"
-Raygun

I am talking about min coverage like your car insurance. high deductible and low monthly costs that must cover cancer and other things you keep crying about. You keep crying how insurance companies refuse payment on care, this would fix the major problems. I dont really care about someone who vistited her doctor and had to pay $200.00 for the visit.

Brandon said...

"I say its great BB, but at a huge cost."
-Raygun

Look into HSA! It isnt going to be cheaper under the government.

Brandon said...

Raygun

Did you see they are raising the B&O tax in Washington? I hope you have been paying all your taxes!

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RayGun said...

"Look into HSA! It isnt going to be cheaper under the government."

BB, you cons are wrong once again. Our care, versus cost, sucks, and we have the only for profit health care in the world.

Brandon said...

"BB, you cons are wrong once again. Our care, versus cost, sucks, and we have the only for profit health care in the world."
-Raygun

Your wrong, it will cost as much or more, yet the care will only go down.

Brandon said...

Look into HSA!

RayGun said...

"Did you see they are raising the B&O tax in Washington? I hope you have been paying all your taxes!"

I am religious about paying my taxes. I have lawyers and accountants making sure I do.

BB, my accountant said, when I hired her 10 years ago, its not if you will be audited by the state, but when. Still not audit. I pay what I owe.

I am worried about the software exemption tax being eliminated. Someone is going to have to pay big bucks (my customers), or else I am going private (ie, they will have to hire me directly).

RayGun said...

"Look into HSA!"

Please give me some links. I read a lot of news, and I have never heard of HSA. Or if I did, it's like ACORN, and then big deal.

Brandon said...

"BB, my accountant said, when I hired her 10 years ago, its not if you will be audited by the state, but when. Still not audit. I pay what I owe."
-Raygun

I thought you said you paid zero taxes?

Brandon said...

""Look into HSA!"

Please give me some links. "
-Raygun


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The above link is a quote for an HSA for me. The best thing about HSA is you can put money away for medical costs that is tax free, plus you dont need referals in most cases. Tax free would be really nice for you since you make so much money. This would be about a 20% discount on your medical costs.

RayGun said...

"I thought you said you paid zero taxes? "

JFHC, I pay 0 fed biz taxes, as far as I know (on my profit). I pay state tax, like .7 percent or a who cares number, and I have to pay the bigger tax of around 10 percent on anything I purchase for my biz, like computers, over the internet, that are out of state, and which do not require a state sales tax. I am religious about taxes. But I trust my accountant, and who knows, I may get fked one day. Not state fked, maybe fed deduction fked.

BB, its complicated.

Brandon said...

"JFHC, I pay 0 fed biz taxes, as far as I know (on my profit). I pay state tax, like .7 percent or a who cares number, and I have to pay the bigger tax of around 10 percent on anything I purchase for my biz, like computers, over the internet, that are out of state, and which do not require a state sales tax. I am religious about taxes. "
-Raygun

So then you understand how the wealthy pay almost all the taxes collected here in the U.S. You can count on your taxes increasing if you keep voting democratic!

RayGun said...

"You can count on your taxes increasing if you keep voting democratic!"

BB you nut, under w your taxes barely went down and you whooped for joy. Under Obama, they went down substantially, and you didn't even notice.

BB,under w, the gap between the rich and poor increased dramatically. That gap is pushing us toward communism (as history has repeatably shown). BB, you, as an historian, you should know those facts. Since you know those facts and persist on claiming that we need even more (wealth disparity) I have no other option but to conclude, you are a communist.

Brandon said...

"BB you nut, under w your taxes barely went down and you whooped for joy. Under Obama, they went down substantially, and you didn't even notice."
-Raygun

When will you get it thru your head, I am not crazy about Bush and I dislike Obama! Where were my tax cuts, I have looked about and I cant find them!

I my federal taxes were almost identical to my 2008 taxes. I think it is safe to say my SS, medicare and federal withholding didnt change. SO WHERE ARE THE CUTS? Obama said he was going to cut my taxes. LIAR!

Dont forget Obama is going to raise taxes $1 trillion each yr by 2014, if you dont think you AND I will be paying that, your mad!

Brandon said...

What do think of the HSA?

RayGun said...

"I my federal taxes were almost identical to my 2008 taxes. I think it is safe to say my SS, medicare and federal withholding didnt change. SO WHERE ARE THE CUTS?"

There is a form where if you havent seen you cuts in weekly checks, you can claim them all in your filings. Obama may of screwed up there. Maybe to complicated.

RayGun said...

What is the difference between HSA and "Wage Works"? I have "Wage Works" for deductibles. Plus I have double full coverage, two health plans, and I am still being fked without Vaseline.

RayGun said...

"and I am still being fked without Vaseline. "

And i have few health issues. But every time I go in, for anything, orthodics, anything, I suffer the paper work and suffer hours on the phone with simpletons. Then I just give up and pay it.

Brandon said...

"There is a form where if you havent seen you cuts in weekly checks, you can claim them all in your filings. Obama may of screwed up there. Maybe to complicated."
-Raygun

I did get an adjustment to my federal withholding on my paycheck, I get about $30 more every two weeks. The problem is my tax bill was the same at the end of the year. So I had a smaller refund, I guess that is a liberals idea of tax cuts...

Brandon said...

"What is the difference between HSA and "Wage Works"? I have "Wage Works" for deductibles. Plus I have double full coverage, two health plans, and I am still being fked without Vaseline."
-Raygun

Why in the hell do you have double coverage??? That is just stupid, your going to waste your time fighting to get either one to pay. Plus your wasting your money. Why dont you just take your premium from one and stick it in a savings account and just use that money to pay the bills the other insurance company sends you.

The HSA sounds similar to wage works but I dont know the details of wage works. Either way the tax free part would benifit you greatly!

RayGun said...

"Why dont you just take your premium from one"

It doesn't work that way...

They offer it, I say sure, then the hell begins.

Brandon said...

""Why dont you just take your premium from one"

It doesn't work that way...

They offer it, I say sure, then the hell begins."
-Raygun

Take the free one and ditch the other! You said one of your customers provides you with health insurance?

RayGun said...

Wow, cons have sure quieted down since they found out they were the true commies.

Brandon said...

"Wow, cons have sure quieted down since they found out they were the true commies."
-Raygun

Where did you get the idea that conservatives are the true commies?

RayGun said...

"Where did you get the idea that conservatives are the true commies? "

1) Cons are in love with history.

2) History is replete with examples of the balance of wealth becoming extreme and then communism becomes appealing to the masses.

3) Cons know about 1 and 2, and continue to push for even more wealth imbalance, hence they obviously want communism, hence they are true communists.

Brandon said...

""Where did you get the idea that conservatives are the true commies? "

1) Cons are in love with history.

2) History is replete with examples of the balance of wealth becoming extreme and then communism becomes appealing to the masses.

3) Cons know about 1 and 2, and continue to push for even more wealth imbalance, hence they obviously want communism, hence they are true communists."
-Raygun

Wow, you must be sniffing glue today! So your saying since conservatives are the complete opposite of communists and you think people hate conserative principals, that this some how makes conseratives communists?

Only a liberal could make that connection!

Brandon said...

"2) History is replete with examples of the balance of wealth becoming extreme and then communism becomes appealing to the masses."
-Raygun

Why dont you give me some examples in history where conserative values drove people to strive for communism?

RayGun said...

Huge imbalances of wealth have caused communism throughout history. The US through RayGun and w, has become more unequal in wealth, than in any time before them. And the crazy cons want more of the same imbalance. Hence they must want communism.

Brandon said...

"Huge imbalances of wealth have caused communism throughout history. The US through RayGun and w, has become more unequal in wealth, than in any time before them. And the crazy cons want more of the same imbalance. Hence they must want communism."
-Raygun

When in history did conserative values drive the masses to switch to communism?

RayGun said...

"When in history did conserative values drive the masses to switch to communism? "

Con values create huge imbalances in wealth, which cause the masses to welcome communism. Thanks cons.

Brandon said...

"Con values create huge imbalances in wealth, which cause the masses to welcome communism. Thanks cons."
-Raygun

When in history did conserative values drive the masses to communism???

Brandon said...

What do you think the masses need to become rich? What can this country do to make our country wealthy, again?

RayGun said...

Huge imbalances in wealth, cause the masses to want communism. Cons values promote those huge imbalances, hence cons, knowing history as well as they do, must want communism, and therefore must be communists.

Brandon said...

"Huge imbalances in wealth, cause the masses to want communism. Cons values promote those huge imbalances, hence cons, knowing history as well as they do, must want communism, and therefore must be communists."
-Raygun

All I am asking if for you to give me an example in history where the masses were driven to communism due to conserative values. Is it that difficult?

Brandon said...

http://hubpages.com/hub/Great-Depression-Millionaires

Interesting article that is very relevant for todays economy.

RayGun said...

"were driven to communism due to conserative values."

Cons don't get words. Here goes again. Con values cause great imbalance in wealth, which history has shown, makes communism appealing.

RayGun said...

Hey BB, try The Sopranos. The series is as good or better than The Wire. Fantastic writing.

Brandon said...

"Cons don't get words. Here goes again. Con values cause great imbalance in wealth, which history has shown, makes communism appealing."
-Raygun

Show me where in history!!! Where in history did the masses ever switch to communism because of conserative values.

RayGun said...

"Show me where in history!!! Where in history did the masses ever switch to communism because of conserative values. "

Don't you get it BB? It's the result of con values, that will cause a huge imbalance in wealth, which will cause the masses to revolt. You should know this BB. Don't you read history BB? Forget con values, think huge imbalance of wealth, no matter how that imbalance occurred.

Brandon said...

Don't you get it BB? It's the result of con values, that will cause a huge imbalance in wealth, which will cause the masses to revolt. You should know this BB. Don't you read history BB? Forget con values, think huge imbalance of wealth, no matter how that imbalance occurred."
-Raygun

Give me an example so I can pick your stupid theory apart! Using your logic, is Obama an anarchist?

It would seem to me that starvation coupled with government abuse usually drives people to communism!

RayGun said...

"that starvation coupled with government abuse usually drives people to communism! "

Ahhh, dear nutty con, what you just mentioned, drove the USSR, away from communism. BB, maybe you should go read Jesus's parables....

Casey said...

"It would seem to me that starvation coupled with government abuse usually drives people to communism!"---Brandon

BINGO!

Brandon said...

"Ahhh, dear nutty con, what you just mentioned, drove the USSR, away from communism. BB, maybe you should go read Jesus's parables...."
-Raygun

The ending of WWI and starvation of the people during these times drove the peasant to revolt. This opened a window for the communist party to take control.

Communism ended communism in the Soviet Union. People got tired of working to get nowhere

RayGun said...

BINGO!
--
Cons love reading history, but they don't understand the meaning of what they read.

Brandon said...

Raygun

Using your logic, is Obama a Anarchist?

Brandon said...

"Cons love reading history, but they don't understand the meaning of what they read."
-Raygun

That means nothing when its coming from a man who cant give any details about anything he talks about. I guess if you went into detail about anything, even you might understand how misguided you are.

Brandon said...

Socialism failed here in the United States around 1920 and it was exported into Canada. It worked then, maybe it will work again. Lets send CJP, Raygun and Obama to Canada!

RayGun said...

"The ending of WWI and starvation of the people during these times drove the peasant to revolt."

Uhhh, BB, the Jews and their great success, Germany, didn't that cause the people to revolt? Hitler? Ring a bell?

RayGun said...

"Lets send CJP, Raygun and Obama to Canada!"

Maybe Bb should go Fk himself, except God tells him that it is a sin :-) God, I can have 10 drinks and still keep up with con logic.

RayGun said...

I think BB, Casey, HOOTER, and other crazy cons should all move to Texass, and boss each other around down there. Show us your great system, down in Gods country, the hell hole of Texass.

Brandon said...

"I think BB, Casey, HOOTER, and other crazy cons should all move to Texass, and boss each other around down there. Show us your great system, down in Gods country, the hell hole of Texass."
-Raygun

Last time I checked the two most conserative states are doing the best thru this recession!

Brandon said...

"Uhhh, BB, the Jews and their great success, Germany, didn't that cause the people to revolt? Hitler? Ring a bell?"
-Raygun

No, read a little about Hitler and the regulations put on German after WWI. Then look at the socialist ideas Hitler had and how the people loved him, at first!

RayGun said...

"Last time I checked the two most conserative states are doing"

You nut BB. Gods chosen ones. Ak, Tx, and the middle east. Oil... JHC, you cons really cant connect the dots, can ye???

RayGun said...

BB, go read why Hitler came into power. The Jews. They were, and frequently still are very successful. Why are the Jews so successful BB? Gods chosen ones? Go read Jesus's parables, dear deluded BB.

Brandon said...

"BB, go read why Hitler came into power. The Jews. They were, and frequently still are very successful. Why are the Jews so successful BB? Gods chosen ones? Go read Jesus's parables, dear deluded BB."
-Raygun

Hitler used the jews as scapegoats for their economic problems that were caused by the global depression and the Treaty of Versailles.

Brandon said...

"Why are the Jews so successful BB?"
-Raygun

My guess is that Jews are successful because they save their money and open small buisnesses.

RayGun said...

"My guess is that Jews are successful because they save their money and open small buisnesses."

Anyway BB, read, and then read some more. Try NY Times. Brooks I believe, had a great article on the Jews and their success. Utterly amazing. (I could be wrong, maybe not Brooks)

RayGun said...

To Bed he said.

Brandon said...

Learning more about Hitler, it is scary how Obama is trying the same tactics Hitler did. Blame someone else for your problems and then try to unite the country against them. Fortunatly Obama has failed!

Brandon said...

"My guess is that Jews are successful because they save their money and open small buisnesses."

Anyway BB, read, and then read some more. Try NY Times. Brooks I believe, had a great article on the Jews and their success. Utterly amazing. (I could be wrong, maybe not Brooks)"
-Raygun

Whats the matter, is that not the answer you were looking for, that some how capitalism made the jews evil???

CJP said...

I think one reason Jews have been so successful is that they have been persecuted so much throughout history that they have had to work hard and save their money simply in order to survive.

When I lived in Mexico City, a Mexican man who was working for a Jewish employer told me that he would rather work for a Jewish employer than a Christian one because Jews are concerned about and take care of their employees -- probably because Jews themselves have been so persecuted historically.

This Mexican man added that Mexicans spend their pay checks on liquor, drugs and gambling whereas Jews spend their money on practical things for the benefit of their families.

I said to him: "My dear Mexican Man, I never knew that a Mexican man could be as wise and insightful as you are. I respectfully tip my sombrero to you."

Brandon said...

A respectable comment from CJP! Thank you for elaborating on my previous comment.

Brandon said...

-My previous comment-

"My guess is that Jews are successful because they save their money and open small buisnesses."

CJP said...

That's right, Brandon. Jews believe in small businesses and Capitalism. That's why they despise small-minded Conservative policies -- such as financial de-regulation and tax cuts for the
super-rich -- which create such huge wealth disparities that they would destroy Capitalism and usher in Totalitarianism -- whether from the
Left or from the Right.

Casey said...

"Uhhh, BB, the Jews and their great success, Germany, didn't that cause the people to revolt? Hitler? Ring a bell?"---RG

WOW. That statement sounds slightly anti-semetic. So the Jews caused people to revolt? It was the fault of the Jews? Because the Jews were sucessful? Kinda like what the Nazi's in this country say, "those rich Jew bankers!"

And CJP:
""My dear Mexican Man, I never knew that a Mexican man could be as wise and insightful as you are."---CJP

You didn't know that a "Mexican man could be wise and insightful"? Are you kidding me? Why not?

Ladies and Gentlemen: I think that we have just seen the real Progressive mindset. (one sterotype and a racial slam)

I wondered how long it would take to get to the Jews....

RayGun said...

"WOW. That statement sounds slightly anti-semetic."

Wow, another shining example of a con, misinterpreting what they read.

I'll restate it, and try to be ever more clear. Jews in Germany were hugely successful. The balance of wealth was in their favor, as well as others. Hitler took the peoples anger, against that great disparity in wealth, and not only great Jewish wealth, and used that anger to gain power and also punish the Jews.

Casey said...

Let me explain something to you all: Jews are taught from an early age that education is the key to sucess. Education is put at a high premium. There is the difference. Not all Jews are wealthy---contrary to the sterotype that you might suggest. Not all Jews in Germany were wealthy. That was simply the excuse used at the time. The stereotype. Not all Jews are money grubbing. Not all Jews are savers. Not all Jews are the same.

RG: "The balance of wealth was in their favor"
Not completely true. There were wealthy Jews at the time, but not more than others. Most were simple shop owners, and middle class.

Casey said...

"Wow, another shining example of a con, misinterpreting what they read."--Rg

No there was no "misinterpreting". You were just wrong. The Jews had all the wealth. That is an antisemitic falacy.

RayGun said...

"The Jews had all the wealth. That is an antisemitic falacy. "

Another con tactic. Selective reading. I said:

"The balance of wealth was in their favor, as well as others."

"against that great disparity in wealth, and not only great Jewish wealth, "

I foresaw your con trickery and amended my statement from last night.

RayGun said...

It's Utterly amazing to me there are con bag lickers that are anything but white men. The grand fore fathers, which the cons uphold as ideal creators of a perfect constitution, even still today, clearly made the constitution favor white men, and had little regard for other races or women. Amazing.

Casey said...

You are still wrong. Wrong is wrong. What brought about the devastation of Hitler were the effects; both psychologically and economically, of the Treaty of Versailles. German people were starving. The Jews were used as a scapegoat. they always are. I can show you several websites RIGHT NOW that blame the Jews and Jewish wealth for the economic problems of the world.
I am not selective reading. You made the statement. You specifically mentioned the Jews (and others)having all of the wealth. It was a questionable statement.
As far as the Founding Fathers and the Constitution; the attitude was a reflection of the times as far as women were concerned. You show me another country at that time that gave women more rights.
The Constitution put down near perfect construction to balance of powers. The Constitution left room for Ammendments to be made as times changed. You think that the Constitution is outdated and should be disregarded. That is to suggest that we throw out the foundation of this country. Show me a better form of government, RG. I keep asking you to do this but you never do.

RayGun said...

Oh crazy malodorous cons, you are so drunk with, stupidity? Please tell me what you do not get?

Brandon said...

"That's right, Brandon. Jews believe in small businesses and Capitalism. That's why they despise small-minded Conservative policies -- such as financial de-regulation and tax cuts for the
super-rich..."
-CJP

I guess it was to much to expect two good comments from you. I am sure a jewish man making close to or above 250k/yr wouldnt agree with your comment. What deregulation from the conseratives would you expect a jewish buisness man to object?

Brandon said...

"The balance of wealth was in their favor, as well as others."
-Raygun

I would really love to hear you explain HOW THE BALANCE OF WEALTH was in the jews favor, or anyones for that matter!

The balance of wealth favors those who keep the money they EARN!

CJP said...

Casey:

Jews in pre-Hitler Germany were totally integrated into German society. Many Jews were wealthy and successful in business and prominent in the arts. Many others were middle class or poor.

Hitler's anti-Semitism was virulent and insane. He didn't need the fact that some Jews were bankers to attack the Jews. He simply took the word "Jew" and turned it into a dirty word.

It didn't matter what the Jews were or did. It was the simple fact that Jews existed that offended him.

Some people say that Hitler's mother, when she was dying, had a Jewish doctor. After his mother died, Hitler blamed the Jewish doctor for his mother's death. I've read that this incident was the root of Hitler's anti-Semitism.

Others have said that it was simply political opportunism. Anti-Semitism was a powerful movement in Europe before World War II. By constantly attacking the Jews, Hitler gathered millions of followers and gained political power. He saw that anti-Semitism was his path to success.

I say that Hitler was insane and that the whole German nation blindly followed a madman into national destruction.

As Ray Gun correctly said, the more that Jews became wealthy, successful and conspicuous, the more Hitler was able to use Jews as targets for a national backlash.

If Jews had been content to remain poor, unsuccessful and inconspicuous, they may not have become such an obvious target. But I'm not sure that's true. The vast majority of Jews in Poland and
other Eastern European countries were poor and not very successful. That didn't stop the virus of anti-Semitism from spreading like a rabid disease throughout those countries.

CJP

Casey said...

As I said before, to blame the wealth of the Jews is just another bit of antisemitic propaganda. Amazing how many people fall for it.

Brandon said...

"I say that Hitler was insane and that the whole German nation blindly followed a madman into national destruction."
-CJP

I dont feel the German nation had much choice, their government was far to powerful and the people didnt have enough power to fight against their corrupt government. This is a good lesson that Raygun should learn from history, since he seems so proud that he is a progressive. My guess is he will learn nothing and continue running his mouth about how evil the conseratives are and have nothing bad to say about the liberals wrecking this country today...

Brandon said...

Still Waiting to hear from you on this one...

"The balance of wealth was in their favor, as well as others."
-Raygun

I would really love to hear you explain HOW THE BALANCE OF WEALTH was in the jews favor, or anyones for that matter!

The balance of wealth favors those who keep the money they EARN!

Casey said...

Brandon:
I think that I pissed RG off and he is trying to recover, since he inadvertantly made a case for rationed healhcare (medicare turns down the most claims, and RG said that it was because they are old, and near the end of life, and I pointed out that that would be rationed healthcare and equilivent to death panels and he became unglued)Then he told me to "fuck off" and then said I was "stupid" then he disappeared. Then I said that I thought that he hated me because I am Jewish. And I never heard from him again.
Guess I will be crying into my pillow tonight...

CJP said...

Don't worry, Casey. RG will be back.

RG is our MVP on this site.

RayGun said...

U cons Get the Sopranos?

Casey said...

Hey RG? Are you MAD at me? You weren't supposed to get so upset. It's just in fun.

RayGun said...

I thought you were a crazy Christian. I didn't even know you were Jewish.

CJP said...

She is a One Woman Rainbow Coalition.

We used to call that a Mongrel -- in the Good Old Days.

Obama still calls himself a Mongrel -- or a Mutt. That's one reason we love him so much.

RayGun said...

CC, your roid rage is over? Finally? Man, that was a long one...

RayGun said...

"She is a One Woman Rainbow Coalition."

CC, do you have some Muslim in you also? Are you like Pi in "Yann Martel's Life of Pi", where you just love God and don't really care about religion?

RayGun said...

I wear my gun close, and low, and always. You cons get the Sopranos? I don't think so. gd, cons are so gd dumb.

Brandon said...

"RG is our MVP on this site."
-CJP

That is pretty sad that Raygun is your MVP!

Brandon said...

Still Waiting to hear from you on this one...

"The balance of wealth was in their favor, as well as others."
-Raygun

I would really love to hear you explain HOW THE BALANCE OF WEALTH was in the jews favor, or anyones for that matter!

The balance of wealth favors those who keep the money they EARN!