Conservatives may think they are the opposite of Communists, but that's only because Conservatives are a bunch of damn fools. Conservatives are the best friends Communists could possibly hope for.
Unrestrained Conservative policies lead to the destruction of Capitalism and its replacement by Socialism, Communism, or even worse forms of totalitarianism.
Liberal policies preserve Capitalism and save the system from the periodic destruction wrought by out-of-control Conservative policies.
Take, for example, the Depression of 1929 thru 1933 -- or the Near-Depression 0f 2008. The only difference between those two events is that Conservatives remained in power for 3-1/2 more years after the Crash of 1929 and were able to show America and the world what economic Hell is really like.
Today, fortunately, Bush and the GOP were out of office within a year of the 2008 Crash, and Obama and the liberals were able to ride to the rescue.
Too bad the Conservatives didn't remain in power for four more years after the Crash of 2008. Then, all of today's Americans could have experienced a re-run of the economic Hell of the thirties, instead of the economic recovery which liberal policies are already rapidly bringing about.
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CJP
Can you give one example of legislation that was passed by conservatives that lead to the great depression or the crash of 2008!
"Heroism, courage, generosity and a warrior spirit – these are things that unite all Americans," said Palin, clad in a bright red blazer, at the top of the hour."
Good God, she plucks the cons strings like a cheap violin. More like a cheap banjo. Violins are too highfalutin for cons.
Cons She God
RG: At least, she's "uniting all Americans" -- as opposed to her usual separating "Real Americans" from phony ones like us.
"CJP: At least, she's "uniting all Americans" -- as opposed to her usual separating "Real Americans" from phony ones like us. "
I think shes trying to unite us to overthrow the government. "Heroism,courage,warrior spirit. WTF.
Simple cons are easily manipulated. A few key words, freedom, socialism, communism, government takeover. Cons don't need much. Cons circuits can't handle much.
There never seems to be any CONSTRUCTIVE comments on this blog. Just more of the same, ie: cons are "stupid", cons are (fill in the blank) Then when someone asks a question, as Brandon did at the top of the page, it never gets addressed. Just more of the same: cons are stupid, cons are stupid, cons are stupid, or variations of the same theme. Boring...
Maybe you guys don't need or want any discussion. Maybe you just really want to "preach to your own choir" No substance. Sorry.
Brandon asked CJP, so I kept quit. I had quite a load ready for him though.
Case, why do your con leaders pride themselves on their stupidity (anti intellectualsm) but when someone calls you stupid, you resent it? The progressives are not the party of the anti smart. We welcome smart. Cons welcome ..., well we just look to their leaders for the answer to that.
What do you want to debate Case? How its unconstitutional to force people to buy health insurance?
That is your opinion. Just an opinion. Big difference between opinion and fact.
The biggest difference between the cons and the progressives---and this is a glaring difference---is that you guys resort to simple name calling. I don't see the conservatives calling everyone else stupid. Just because you and I disagree, I don't think that you are stupid, and I don't call you that. We disagree. That's all. The Progressive attitude is that anyone that sees things differently than they do are stupid and that will be the undoing of your party.
Case, we are a little resentful that you cons caused the damage that you did, through lack of regulations for the financial wizards, and the huge debt from the tax cuts for the rich. Then even after the obvious fallacy of such policies, you want to double down and do it all again? How about we call you cons insane rather than stupid, as the definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over and expecting different results. Ie, it didn't work under precious RayGun, it didn't work under w, and it won't work under Palin. Cutting taxes for the rich, and borrowing money to pay for the cuts, and not regulating bankers, is a time proven recipe for disaster. But that's the same song I hear you cons singing. You want to cut taxes, cut some programs. I dare you. Where are your ideas for cutting government programs? Which ones Case? Any con, feel free to answer.
Okay. Did you like the economy under Clinton? Pretty good, right? Much of that was the result of Reagun's economic plan, and Clinton's backing away from the taxing of the "rich" and deregulation. You are wrong. Not stupid or insane, just wrong. Clinton didn't look at the wealthy as the big cookie jar to be tapped at every turn. Obama has the wrong plan. We are in serious trouble with our national debt and Obama is doing nothing more than expanding where Bush left off. When times are tough, you don't spend trillions more. Ask California.
"Okay. Did you like the economy under Clinton? Pretty good, right? Much of that was the result of Reagun's economic plan"
Sorry Case, Bush the wiser came after RayGun, and it was another disaster with his presidency experiencing record bank collapses and record deficits, just like his dimwitted son. Then Clinton came in, after Bush the wiser, and took record deficits and converted it to a surplus. Oh here comes the con sing song about congress was controlled by the dems whenever anything bad happened and by the cons whenever anything good happened.
We know for sure that the cons pushed through w's tax cuts to the rich, with very little help from the dems, resulting in huge deficits, which were supposed to be erased by record job creation resulting in increased tax revenues. That sure worked out.
There were other factors involved. You tend to simplify things just a bit.
The difference between Clinton and Obama is that Clinton did not punish the wealthy. He realized that the wealthy were the juice to the economy. He was not a "spread the wealth" kinda guy.
Now we are on to Cap & Trade and more economy killing policy. Gee. I can't wait...
Sorry, but this blog is getting really boring. It was more fun when there were more people involved, but now it is mainly just you, RG and me...Then CJP keeps posting stuff en masse, (like 5 at once) and that is annoying too. Just the 2 of us making our lame little comments.
We need to start our own blogs and bug each other.
Here is mine, I just don't update very often. But I will before too long.
http://raygunisdead.blogspot.com/
Git going Case.
Seems the blogs are dying down a bit. People are softening up a little or I dont know how to describe it. Seems to be a little repetitious. Spring is coming?
I am going to visit your blog! I will be your first blog groupie, or maybe "bloupie" would be a better word?
I don't know what it is or where everyone went, but it is just you and I right now.
I just visited your blog and tried to leave my comment, but it wouldn't let me. I wanted to be your first. Better check that out. I will try again later...
Oh shit! I may have posted it too many times. It now says that it will be posted "after approval" but I didn't read that part and kept cutting and pasting it in...oops! Sorry. Better check on that.
CJP
Can you give one example of legislation that was passed by conservatives that lead to the great depression or the crash of 2008!
I suppose I could copy and paste this comment until the end of time and never get a good anwser from you. Still you will continue ranting the same B.S. while your beloved Obama runs taxes and government spending higher and higher!
Brandon:
De-regulation of the economy, allowing Wall Street to run riot with its derivatives and other speculative financial creations, massive tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, elimination of the estate tax, allowing usurious interest charges by lenders and financial institutions ---- all of which created a huge financial imbalance in favor of the rich and reduced the spending power of the middle class.
These policies created a major imbalance in our economy and brought about the financial crisis of 2008, which nearly wrecked our economy.
As you can see from the latest reports, new jobs are being created now and the economy is starting to recover -- thanks to Obama's stimulus packages, but no thanks to the Republicans who tried to block or water down Obama's recovery programs.
OMG! Thanks to the stimulus? Give me a break! Did you SEE where that money went?
Guess this is a win/win situation for Obama. If the economy shows any recovery at all, it is because of his "genius". If not, it still is Bush's fault!
Naturally, the economy will show some job gains. Eventually someone is going to hire someone. We are still at 9.7% unemployment and with the stimulus we weren't supposed to go over 8%. Remember that?
Let's see...In my part of the country, there is some seasonal hiring as the snow is now gone and people are going back or taking seasonal jobs. Then we have the Census workers...Then there might have been some hiring. Don't get me wrong---I hope to Hell you are right, I just am not convinced yet.
We need to see the results of the healthcare legislation. The largest companies are complainig about how much this is going to cost them. I was not against healthcare in general---I was against the massive bill and costs at this time in our bad economy
Your optimism is impressive though. Your faith in Obama and this Administration is alot like a religion. Blind faith.
"De-regulation of the economy, allowing Wall Street to run riot with its derivatives..."
Nice job CJP, you nailed it.
Why are cons so out of touch with reality? Hmmmm...
Sorry. Started under Clinton. You can try to spin it every way that you want, but that isn't reality.
By the way, RG. Did you check your blogsite? I don't see my comment.
:[ (I was trying to show my support for my friend---that would be you)
"Sorry. Started under Clinton."
Sure Case, "started". But Clinton was not a hands off president. He didn't believe you can just leave business alone and they will always do the right thing. That is obviously not true.
Funny, under bush the dumber and bush the wiser, we had major bank collapses. I guess bush the wiser, we can only blame it on dear leader RayGun. And bush the dumber was in charge for 7+ years before the collapse occurred. So guess we can blame him also. Cons are just not very good with money, contrary to all they spout.
Case, I saw your 4 duplicate comments and deleted 3 of them and replied. Let me know of any trouble as I am probably not seeing the same thing as you.
Yes, I believe that Clinton was a "hands off" President, as he didn't see the business owners and corps as "bad guys", but as employers. I liked Clinton, so don't try to burst my bubble, okay? I LONG for the days of Clinton and I think that most people do.
Unfortunately the banking/mortgage collaps was created in a "perfect storm" and many factors went into the mess. I saw the collapse coming when Wall Street got heavily involved. When you had the Bear Strerns, Credit Sueiss, and ALS, with the greed. I remember mentioning it to many other underwriters that this was not good. The lending should have been left up to the banking industry alone. (the govt had a heavy hand as well in these stupid loans---I know that you don't want to see that, but it did. I was well aware of what Freddie and Fannie were doing)
I wared you last nite that there were duplicate entries of mine of the same comment on your blog, because the post wasn't showing up. I see it now, but it wasn't there this morning. Good that it is straightened out. Good luck with it. Wow. I am your first!
RG---I would put a profile on your blogsite with a pic, but I don't know how. (not a computer person like you)
"De-regulation of the economy, allowing Wall Street to run riot with its derivatives and other speculative financial creations, massive tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, elimination of the estate tax, allowing usurious interest charges by lenders and financial institutions ---- all of which created a huge financial imbalance in favor of the rich and reduced the spending power of the middle class."
-CJP
You keep saying that same B.S. but you still havent given me a specific piece of legislation passed by the republicans that caused this recession!
"massive tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, elimination of the estate tax"
-CJP
The tax cuts were for all Americans and they were not massive and since when did we no longer have estate taxes?
"You keep saying that same B.S. but you still havent given me a specific piece of legislation passed by the republicans that caused this recession!"
Once again the cons have it ass backwards. It's not the legislation (regulation) that caused the problems, its lack of legislation (regulation) that has caused the problem. GD cons.
Exactly, RG. It's the lack of legislation -- the lack of regulation -- and the moronic "laissez-faire" policies of the Conservatives, which are intended to help "the rich get richer and the poor get screwed" -- but end up wrecking the entire economy and destroying all Americans.
It's truly unfair to say that "Conservatives are Communists." Communists have never screwed up the US economy the way Conservatives have.
You guys are smokin' somethin'. This started earlier than during the Bush years. In your haste to blame someone, you over simplify the whole thing. Many, many factors went into this.
Please tell me where the government makes anything better. (aside from labor laws, please) Actually the government jumped on this mortgage gravytrain right along with Wall Street. Only worse, because the government mandated that the guidelines be lowered for ALL lenders! The government had no business being in the lending business. Another government screw up added to the massive list of government screw ups. Don't don't take my word for it---I was just there and saw much of what was going on.
Case, you sweet nut, wasn't the same bankers running the FHA, Fanny Mae, whatever, as running all the other banks? I recall the bigwigs receiving huge compensation for their nefarious profit making machine. And what were the regulations called, the ones done away with, that separated banks that loan money and investment banks? Help me out. Hint(Glass-Steagall). And screw your for sure to be mentioned fact that Clinton signed it. The major fact is, that things worked out for awhile, after repeal, but the money grubbing bankers came up with financial weapons of mass destruction that so obfuscated what was actually happening, that few understood, and therefore could not (would not) act. Those crafty bankers, the smartest guys in the room, the con idols, the ones enabled by con inaction, are the ones to blame for this mess. No, the con enablers are the ones to blame.
Sorry, RG. Your "con bankers" were not cons at all. These are generally Obama supporters as is/was Wall Street. Wall Street gave 3 times the amount of money to Obama than to the Republican side.
Don't get me started on this. So many of these people ended up in the Obama Admin that it isn't funny! Try this article:http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/apr2009/pers-a06.shtml
(world socialist website, so I know that you will believe it)
Or try this one:http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/31234647/obamas_big_sellout/print
You need to really look into this stuff, RG. All is not as it seems.
Where do you think Geithner came from? Are you kidding me?
Comon Case, whos more likely to crack down on the bankers, cons or the good guys? The good guys will never work with the money grubbing bankers to further their nefarious goals. Thats the cons job.
"Exactly, RG. It's the lack of legislation -- the lack of regulation"
-CJP
The conservatives didnt pass any legislation it must be only their fault? What about the liberals who have been in control for the last 3yrs, 2yr of which lead us into the recession!
"The conservatives didnt pass any legislation it must be only their fault? What about the liberals who have been in control for the last 3yrs, 2yr of which lead us into the recession!"
Last 2 years, what legislation did they pass that led us into the great con recession? Simple cons...
"Comon Case, whos more likely to crack down on the bankers, cons or the good guys?"---RG
It is obvious that you have not bothered to check out the websites that I provided to you. What's the matter? Are you afraid that you might find out something that you don't like? Can't blame this one of FoxNews...These sites are as left leaning as I could find for you.
Case, in my book, no banker is a good banker. Geithner may even be worse than most. That's why we need to regulate them as much as possible. Can you imagine any cons going along with regulating banks and bankers?
"Last 2 years, what legislation did they pass that led us into the great con recession? Simple cons..."
-Raygun
I am challenging your logic! Your saying its the conservatives fault our economy is in the shitter because they didnt pass any legislation to prevent it. The fact you cant wrap your simple mind around is, liberals have been in control of congress for the last 3yrs, 2 of which lead us into a recession.
So how could you possibly be blaming the conservatives?
"So how could you possibly be blaming the conservatives? "
Because cons are religiously against all regulations.
"liberals have been in control of congress for the last 3yrs,"
BB, you anti bard, liberals are in control of congress now, like they have never been, and health care, a liberal mecca, barely got passed. So what the fk does control of congress, whatever that means, have anything to do with anything. Except in a cons simple world, where they vote in uniform mindless conformity. Sounds like cons are the ones behaving like communists, once again. Mindless droids.
"Geithner may even be worse than most"---RG
Bingo! And look who was appointed by OBAMA as Sec. of Treasury! Are you kidding me? Look who is in his Cabinet and on oversight committees. More of the same. In what universe does that make sense to you? Yeah, that's a real "clamp down". You expect this band of theives to make better regulation?
"liberals are in control of congress now, like they have never been, and health care, a liberal mecca, barely got passed."
-Raygun
Still trying to blame the liberal failures on the conservatives. The liberals are running this country into the ground. Higher taxes and bigger government is all around bad!
Raygun are you looking forward to higher health insurance premiums, higher federal witholdings(once the Bush tax cuts expire), a national sales tax. Did the tax increase here in Washington State ever pass? Sure nice to see the liberals doing nothing but raise our taxes!
"So how could you possibly be blaming the conservatives? "
-Brandon
"Because cons are religiously against all regulations."
-Raygun
Since conservatives are against regulation and didnt pass any new regulations in the 6 yrs they were in power, they are to blame for the recession we had? You refuse to except any responsiblity for the last 3yrs of power that belonged to the liberals!
"You expect this band of theives to make better regulation? "
Do cons support any regulation for their illustrious bankers? No. Nope. No way.
"Do cons support any regulation for their illustrious bankers? No. Nope. No way."---RG
And you know this because of.....?
And what magical regulations are these genius theives going to come up with---now that they have made all of their millions off the backs of the common people?
You honestly don't see ANYTHING wrong with putting these people in positions of high power in the Administration?
More of the same, RG. More of the same. Name one thing that they have done to change anything so far...
"Name one thing that they have done to change anything so far... "
Saved us from collapsing into the abyss of the proletariat.
"Saved us from collapsing into the abyss of the proletariat."---RG
Can you be more specific? Please give me 1 example of something that has been done to change anything.
"Can you be more specific? Please give me 1 example of something that has been done to change anything."
-Casey
Sure is funny watching these idiots dance around a simple question. They want to blame conservatives for failing to pass regulations that would prevent a recession. In the last 3 yrs the liberals have been in power they have dont nothing but spend money we dont have. How do the liberals have any ground to stand on critizing conservatives?
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