Wednesday, October 20, 2010

The Koch Brothers 2010 Far Right Coup D'Etat Against America

From Think Progress - October 20, 2010:

MEMO: Health Insurance, Banking, Oil Industries Met With Koch, Chamber, Glenn Beck To Plot 2010 Election

by Lee Fang

In 2006, Koch Industries owner Charles Koch revealed to the Wall Street Journal’s Stephen Moore that he coordinates the funding of the conservative infrastructure of front groups, political campaigns, think tanks, media outlets and other anti-government efforts through a twice annual meeting of wealthy right-wing donors. He also confided to Moore, who is funded through several of Koch’s ventures, that his true goal is to strengthen the “culture of prosperity” by eliminating “90%” of all laws and government regulations. Although it is difficult to quantify the exact amount Koch alone has funneled to right-wing fronts, some studies have pointed toward $50 million he has given alone to anti-environmental groups. Recently, fronts funded by Charles and his brother David have received scrutiny because they have played a pivotal role in the organizing of the anti-Obama Tea Parties and the promotion of virulent far right lawmakers like Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC). (David Koch praised DeMint and gave him a “Washington Award” shortly after the senator promised to “break” Obama by making health reform his “Waterloo.”)

While the Koch brothers — each worth over $21.5 billion — have certainly underwritten much of the right, their hidden coordination with other big business money has gone largely unnoticed. ThinkProgress has obtained a memo outlining the details of the last Koch gathering held in June of this year. The memo, along with an attendee list of about 210 people, shows the titans of industry — from health insurance companies, oil executives, Wall Street investors, and real estate tycoons — working together with conservative journalists and Republican operatives to plan the 2010 election, as well as ongoing conservative efforts through 2012. According to the memo, David Chavern, the number two at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and Fox News hate-talker Glenn Beck also met with these representatives of the corporate elite. In an election season with the most undisclosed secret corporate giving since the Watergate-era, the memo sheds light on the symbiotic relationship between extremely profitable, multi-billion dollar corporations and much of the conservative infrastructure. The memo describes the prospective corporate donors as “investors,” and it makes clear that many of the Republican operatives managing shadowy, undisclosed fronts running attack ads against Democrats were involved in the Koch’s election-planning event:

– Corporate “investors” at the Koch meeting included businesses with a strong profit motive in rolling back President Obama’s enacted reforms. Several companies impacted by health reform, including Allan Hubbard of A & E Industries, a manufacturer of medical devices and Judson Green, a board member of health insurance conglomerate Aon, were present at the meeting. Other businessmen at the meeting, like Omaha Burger King franchiser Mike Simmonds, are owners of fast food stores which have fought efforts to provide health insurance to their employees. Many corporate attendees of the meeting represent the financial industry impacted by Wall Street reform. For instance, attendee Bill Cooper is the CEO of TCF Financial, a corporation involved in the mortgage banking industry. Cooper recently filed a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of Wall Street reform. Other financial industry players in the meeting hail from firms ranging from Bank of America, JLM Investment, Allied Capital Corp, AMG National Trust, the Blackstone Group and Citadel Investment. Annie Dickerson, a representative of Paul Singer, a powerful hedge fund manager who also gives tens of millions to Republican causes, was present. In addition, Koch Industries itself has a hedge fund and other financial derivative products in its portfolio of interests, which include oil pipelines, coal shipping, asphalt, refineries, consumer goods, timber, ranching, and chemicals.

– Corporate “investors” at the Koch meeting included businesses with a strong profit motive in preventing progressive reforms promised by President Obama. Several executives at the meeting have an incentive to stop Democrats and President Obama from addressing climate change and enacting clean energy reform. The meeting included oil executives from Aspect Energy, Murfin Drilling, Anschutz Company, GeoPark Holdings, Smoky Oil, and several members of Koch’s various subsidiaries. The meeting documents explicitly state that funding efforts to curb “climate change alarmism” were discussed.

– Fred Malek, Karl Rove’s top fundraiser for his $56 million attack ad campaign against Democrats, attended the meeting, along with leaders of other secret attack groups. Heather Higgins, who leads the Independent Women’s Forum, a shadowy group that has spent millions of dollars in attack ads on health reform, attended the meeting. So did Gretchen Hamel, a former Bush flak who now runs an attack ad group called “Public Notice” that runs ad which denounce spending programs.

– Participants collaborated with infamous consultants who specialize in generating fake grassroots movements, as well as experts on how corporations should take advantage of Citizens United. One session, about how to “mobilize citizens for November,” involved a discussion with Republican strategists Tim Phillips and Sean Noble, anti-union leader Mark Mix, and longtime Koch operative Karl Crow. Phillips — a veteran astroturf lobbyist who previously managed a deceptive grassroots lobbying campaign to help the Hong Kong-based Tan family maintain their forced abortion sweatshops in the Mariana Islands — now leads the day-to-day operations of Americans for Prosperity, the group ThinkProgress first reported to have helped organize many of the initial Tea Party rallies against Obama. Americans for Prosperity, founded and financed by David Koch, has a field team of over 80 campaign staffers spread out around the country, and additionally plans to spend $45 million dollars worth of attack ads against Democrats. Shortly before the planning meeting, Crow authored a campaign finance memo explaining that because of the Citizens United Supreme Court ruling, he advised specifically that the U.S. Chamber of Commerce’s 501(c)(6) and Americans for Prosperity’s 501(c)(4) can “now use general treasury funds to produce communications materials opposing or supporting specific candidates” and corporations can aggressively pressure their employees to vote a certain way.

The memo notes that participants in the 2010 election planning meeting “committed to an unprecedented level of support.”

Interestingly, the Koch meetings are managed by Kevin Gentry, an executive who doubles as a staffer in the Koch Industries lobbying office in Washington and as the key point person who helps deliver Koch charitable foundation grants. As ThinkProgress has documented, Koch Industries has dramatically boosted its own profits by using conservative front groups to manipulate public policy. The fusion between the “intellectual” conservative movement and big businesses opposed to regulations and accountability has a history in America dating back to the New Deal. During the thirties, the Du Pont family and other wealthy interests organized an assortment of “Liberty League” front groups to try to defeat New Deal agenda items and repeal President Roosevelt’s Social Security program. Now, corporations fund groups like the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute — both had representatives at the Koch meeting — to further their lobbying agenda. The American Enterprise Institute even changed its name from the New Deal-era American Enterprise Association to try to dispel the notion that they were nothing more than a glorified business trade association.

As the memo states, Beck has addressed this regular gathering of conservative corporate executives in previous years. Past Koch meetings have included various Republican lawmakers, including DeMint, and Supreme Court Justices Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia as speakers.

After ThinkProgess published its exclusive investigation of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce revealing that the Chamber has been actively fundraising from foreign corporations for its 501(c)(6) account used to run a $75 million attack ad campaign, Chamber lobbyists found common cause with Beck and many of the conservative talking heads. Shortly after our investigation, Beck hosted an on-air fundraiser, asking his audience to give to the Chamber. Casual observers might have been surprised by the Chamber’s swift alliance with Beck (Chamber executives appeared on the Beck radio program and sung Beck’s praises on the Chamber blog), who has compared Obama to Adolf Hitler and called the President a “racist” who has a “deep-seated hatred for white people.” By telling his listeners to give money to the Chamber, Beck, who owns a media company worth more than $32 million dollars and an experimental Mercedes Benz, essentially told his working class viewers to give their wages back to their employers. However, Beck never disclosed his long working history of discussing political strategy with America’s largest corporations. The Koch memo clearly shows that Beck has been collaborating with the Chamber, as well as other titans of industry, for years. In his latest appeal for support to the Chamber’s foreign-funded trade association, which already counts JP Morgan and ExxonMobil as dues-paying members, Beck yesterday told his audience that the Chamber simply “defends the little guy.”

55 comments:

Real Talk Politic said...

Interesting article. This is my first time to your blog but I will certainly be coming back.

realtalkpolitic.blogspot.com

Anon2 said...

Welcome aboard Real Talk Politic!

Anon2 said...

"By telling his listeners to give money to the Chamber, Beck, who owns a media company worth more than $32 million dollars and an experimental Mercedes Benz, essentially told his working class viewers to give their wages back to their employers."

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2026515,00.html?xid=huffpo-direct

"Could the Courts Outlaw the Minimum Wage?"

See above link to read the article.

With 2 CON crooks on the Supreme Court who attended the Koch seminars, it wouldn't be a surprise if Big Money would win. Current Federal Minimum wage is $7.25

My question to one of these corrupt judges is if they ever would want to try to live on $7.25 a hour? Especially the Thomas one whose wife is a teabagger and is very active in politics and receiving lots of campaign $$$. Wondering if those $$ could come from Koch Bros?

Supreme Judges - your mandate should be to stay out of politics.

You voted companies as people, you bought out b*sterds, with the ultimate goal to give 100% of the wealth to the rich and to leave the rest of the citizens wanting for bread.

These judges are in bed with the corporatists and don't give a darn about EVERY citizen they are supposed to work for. Where is their compassion for their country and its citizens?

Brandon said...

"My question to one of these corrupt judges is if they ever would want to try to live on $7.25 a hour?"
Anon2

Whats wrong with $7.25/hr? Why not lower it to $5/hr? What do you liberals all believe we must have a high min wage? Some people arent worth $7.25/hr and what do you expect those people to do for work? My guess is you guys just want them on welfare so they can continue voting democrat!

Brandon said...

CJP-

Want to talk about the stimulus now that its been almost 2yrs? Wasted almost one trillion dollar to get the economy where it would have been if we never spent that money. Knowing what we know today do you think congress could have taken the time to READ THE BILL?

Anon2 said...

"Why not lower it to $5/hr?"

Yeah, why not lower it to $0.50 per hour so that the USA can compete with countries such as China, India and other 3rd world countries??? That 50¢ wage would have to apply to EVERYONE, YOU INCLUDED (except the extremely rich. The USA is already on its way to be a 3rd world country and lowering it's minimum wage would seal the deal.

Brandon said...

"The USA is already on its way to be a 3rd world country and lowering it's minimum wage would seal the deal."
-Anon2

Why would you think lowering min wage to 50 cents/hr would be a bad thing? Who in their right mind would work for that kind of pay here in the United States? Lowering the min wage wouldnt effect me one bit, other than the costs of goods would decrease SLIGHTLY! Why do you liberals hate creating jobs and stimulating the economy?

Brandon said...

"That 50¢ wage would have to apply to EVERYONE, YOU INCLUDED (except the extremely rich."
-Anon2

Did you even think about this comment before you posted it or did you just type the first thing that came to your mind? Lowering min wage wouldnt effect almost all Americans!

CJP said...

Brandon, I think workers should pay their employers $7.50 an hour for the privilege of working for them. I'm sure you would agree with the concept of employees paying their employers an hourly sum. That would certainly create a lot more jobs.

Anonymous said...

how many left wing fronts has Soros funded?

Brandon said...

"Brandon, I think workers should pay their employers $7.50 an hour for the privilege of working for them. I'm sure you would agree with the concept of employees paying their employers an hourly sum. That would certainly create a lot more jobs."
-CJP

This is why you cant have a serious debate about anything with liberals. You back them into a corner and they get dramatic! Why dont you just admit you have no argument against lowering min wage?

Anon2 said...

Brandon said...

"Lowering the min wage wouldnt effect me one bit"

The above sums it all up, typical Rethug thinking - me - me -me. That's what YOU THINK it wouldn't effect you. Keep on dreaming.

With a lower minimum wage, EVERYONE would be affected, even the extremely wealthy who would love to stash the additional extra cash overseas bank accounts.

With the tax cuts that Dumbya gave to everyone, including the upper 2 %, did you see the corporatists adding jobs? Nope! Under Dumbya, millions LOST their jobs!!

No Rethuglikkklan wants to remember that FACT!!

Anon2 said...

CJP said...

"Brandon, I think workers should pay their employers $7.50 an hour for the privilege of working for them. I'm sure you would agree with the concept of employees paying their employers an hourly sum. That would certainly create a lot more jobs."

BRILLIANT!!
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Right in the Republicans alley and their mission to improve the wealth of the wealthiest in the USA. Perhaps they'd even vote for such an idea. LMAO

Anon2 said...

Brandon said...

"Some people arent worth $7.25/hr"

Meet the "judge" folks who knows exactly who is worth what. lol

Smugness leads to failure. Be on guard that you won't lose your job or that your boss decides you earn way too much!!

Anon2 said...

Read this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/25/income_inequality_statistics_tax_code__n_773392.html

Excerpt:

"It's not just every 34th earner whose financial situation has been upended by the financial crisis. Average wages, median wages, and total wages have all declined -- except at the very top, where they leaped dramatically, increasing five-fold.

Johnston writes that while the number of Americans earning more than $50 million fell from 131 in 2008 to 74 in 2009, those that remained at the top increased their income from an average of $91.2 million in 2008 to almost $519 million.

The wealth is astounding, says Johnston. "That's nearly $10 million in weekly pay!... These 74 people made as much as the 19 million lowest-paid people in America, who constitute one in every eight workers."

Anon2 said...

The "average" earnings of each of the European countries would include their minimum wage as well. The wages of third world countries must be high paying jobs.

Kudos to the writer of the below.

"“A few statistics from the Department of Labor

All Employees: Hourly compensation costs in manufacturing in 32 countries in U.S. dollars
Year: 2007

Germany $50.73
Denmark $47.54
Canada $31.91
Australia $34.75
Austria $43.17
Belgium $38.75
Finland $39.74
France $37.68
United Kingdom $36.66
Ireland $35.62
Italy $32.19
Norway $55.03
Spain $24.55
Japan $23.95
Korea $18.63
Singapore $15.43
Netherlands $39.47
USA $30.56

Average wage in countries using the Euro: $40.71
Average wage in Europe: $39.41

Now, unemployment in Germany, for example, is far lower than in the U.S. because they paid companies NOT to lay off workers. Germany's economy depends on manufacturing exports and they're going great guns again.

Automation has reduced the number of people involved in manufacturing, there is no avoiding that. But how can all these countries with similar living standards to ours, manage to pay people working in factory jobs more, in most cases, than companies pay in the USA? China can sell goodies to them too!

You do not have to lower the standard of living for your people via lower wages to remain competitive in the world market. Labor, is only 10% of the cost of making a car, for example.

What's the difference? One is that the average CEO earns 25 times the average worker's wages in Europe. Here, it's 300 times.

High labor costs is a straw man. Just not true."

Anon2 said...

How low do you have to go to compete with China?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_law#People.27s_Republic_of_China

"People's Republic of China
Main article: Economy of the People's Republic of China

The Ministry of Labor and Social Security set China's first minimum wage law on 1 March 2004. The Regulations on Enterprises Minimum Wage

was made to "ensure the basic needs of the worker and his family, to help improve workers' performance and to promote fair competition between enterprises." One monthly minimum wage was set for full-time workers, and one hourly minimum wage for part-time workers. Provinces, municipalities, and autonomous regions are allowed to legislate for their own minimum wage separate from the national one.[17]

In February 2010, officials in Jiangsu province increased the minimum wage

to 960 RMB (about US$140.62) per month, the same as Shanghai. China's highest minimum wage is in Shenzhen (1000 RMB per month).

Guangdong Province increased its minimum wage on 1 September 2006 and was split into five categories. The highest is ¥780 per month or ¥4.66 (~US$0.68) an hour (in Guangzhou city). The lowest is ¥450 per month or ¥2.69 (~US$0.39) an hour.[18]"

Read US$0.39 an hour!! My proposed minimum wage of $0.50 per hour wasn't THAT far off eh?

Here's a list of minimum wages by country:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_by_country

Brandon said...

Anon2

Wow, its amazing how you can post six comments and still not hit one single point relevant to my previous post.

Brandon said...

"Brandon said...

"Lowering the min wage wouldnt effect me one bit"

The above sums it all up, typical Rethug thinking - me - me -me. That's what YOU THINK it wouldn't effect you. Keep on dreaming.

With a lower minimum wage, EVERYONE would be affected, even the extremely wealthy who would love to stash the additional extra cash overseas bank accounts.

With the tax cuts that Dumbya gave to everyone, including the upper 2 %, did you see the corporatists adding jobs? Nope! Under Dumbya, millions LOST their jobs!!

No Rethuglikkklan wants to remember that FACT!!"

-Anon2

You never did address how lowering min wage would effect me or every other American not currently making min wage!

Brandon said...

Anon2

Do you not understand that min wage jobs are entry level jobs? Jobs a monkey can do! Why dont you allow the market to set a price on what someone should be paid? No one living in the united states is going to work at McDonalds flipping burgers for $1/hr you know that, so dont even try that B.S., again.

Brandon said...

Here are some facts you might not want to hear:

1. Nearly two-thirds of minimum wage workers move above the minimum wage within one year.

2.Studies show that raising the minimum wage does not significantly reduce poverty. In fact, for some subgroups, minimum wage increases appeared to raise the level of poverty.

3.Although the last increase in the minimum wage did not reduce total employment, it did reduce employment rates, particularly for unskilled teenagers. Only the red-hot economy in 1998 and 1999 was able to mitigate the impact of the last minimum wage increase on teenagers.

Brandon said...

Who Works the Minimum Wage?The 1.6 million paid-hourly workers who earn minimum wages can be broken down into two broad groups.

1
Over half (53 percent) are teenagers or young adults under the age of 23. More than half (54 percent) of these young workers live in families with incomes two or more times the official poverty level for their family size and 18 percent live in poor families. The average family income of these young workers is almost $50,500 per year. The average income for single young workers is $11,200. Over 63 percent are enrolled in either high school or college.

The other half (47 percent) are workers ages 23 and up. More of these workers live in poor families (29 percent). Yet, even within this half of the minimum wage population, the average family income is over $38,100 per year. The average income for single workers is $19,300. Over 30 percent of these older workers did not graduate from high school and another 36 percent had only a high school diploma.

Almost 43 percent of all minimum wage workers are children, 26 percent are married family heads or spouses, 11 percent are single family heads, and 17 percent are single people (another 3 percent are other relatives).

Less than 21 percent of minimum wage workers are the sole breadwinners of their families and less than 5 percent are sole breadwinners that work full-time year-round. Less than 5 percent of minimum wage workers are poor single mothers over 18 years old.

Over 57 percent of all minimum wage workers work part-time voluntarily. Only 25 percent work full-time year-round while over 28 percent work part-time part of the year.

The average family income for all minimum wage workers is $45,200 and their wages account for 35 percent of their total family income. The average income of single-nonfamily minimum wage workers is $16,800.

source: http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2001/06/who-is-paid-the-minimum-wage

Anon2 said...

"Why dont you allow the market to set a price on what someone should be paid?"

If you are being paid more than the minimum wage you may thank the unions for that. You may even thank the unions for the federal minimum wage and all your benefits you take for granted.

The markets always want to pay the least amount that they can get away with. The corporatists are not in the business of benevolence or trickle down welfare.

As CJP said in his brilliant post that the workers should be paying their employers the 7$ out of gratitude. Since you consider yourself above the minimum wage crowd, know that one can fall down the ladder in a moment's time. You're only a machinist ya know. lol

Without the employees, the corporatists are nothing, wouldn't exist. Prior to the corporate existence there only existed small businesses and everyone did fine.

BTW: When you copy and paste, I need to see the link where you got the info from. Without a link the points are invalid.

Brandon said...

BTW: When you copy and paste, I need to see the link where you got the info from. Without a link the points are invalid.
-Anon2

Try looking at the bottom of my comments!

Brandon said...

"If you are being paid more than the minimum wage you may thank the unions for that. You may even thank the unions for the federal minimum wage and all your benefits you take for granted.

...Since you consider yourself above the minimum wage crowd, know that one can fall down the ladder in a moment's time. You're only a machinist ya know. lol"
-Anon2

You really dont understand the simplest ideas! I can show you facts about why raising min wage is bad and you come back with NOTHING!

Unions are a waste of space in todays economy. They had a time and a place but that has long since pasted. They are far to powerful and they have now become the abusers.

I understand that, "one can fall down the ladder in a moment's time." But raising min wage solves nothing other than when someone does fall down the latter they go on unemployment instead of working their way back up the ladder.

Why do liberals have such a tough time understanding this concept.

Why is it that I have NEVER been paid min wage? I have NEVER worked for a union and I have been paying federal income taxes since I was 12yrs old.

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ben said...

I hope Glen Beck never really runs anything. He has too much influence already. puke.

Brandon said...

" Government interventions in financial markets and the automotive sector have raised concerns about expropriation and violation of the contractual rights of shareholders and bondholders."

This was taken from a fun website, check it out:

Since nobody wants to admit I was right about min wage, maybe we can change topics!

http://www.heritage.org/Index/Country/UnitedStates

Anon2 said...

"Government interventions in financial markets and the automotive sector have raised concerns about expropriation and violation of the contractual rights of shareholders and bondholders."

The taxpayers bailed them out otherwise they all would have gone bankrupt and who would have been the losers? RIGHT: the shareholders and bondholders. Thanks to the government these people sleep at night compared with the ones who didn't get bailed out and lost everything: the common folk.


Who is actually protecting what?

Anon2 said...

"Unions are a waste of space in todays economy. They had a time and a place but that has long since pasted. They are far to powerful and they have now become the abusers."

You haven't kept up with the times. Unions used to be more powerful prior to the outsourcing of manufacturing to third world countries, China being one example.

They hardly have any members left compared with 2 decades ago.

Typical Rethugs. Always referring to the past and living in it, never living in the present.

If all union activity would cease, you'd see a HUGE DROP IN YOUR WAGES AS A MACHINIST.

That's due to the unbridled avarice of the corporatists which need to be regulated after running wild for the past decades.

Okay, you may earn $20 per hour. A top CEO makes 500 times that much an hour, 10-20 MILLION a week. I'm sure that your wages have been skimmed off by your employer.

Brandon said...

"The taxpayers bailed them out otherwise they all would have gone bankrupt..."
-Anon2

GM did go bankrupt! What was the point in bailing them out?

Brandon said...

"If all union activity would cease, you'd see a HUGE DROP IN YOUR WAGES AS A MACHINIST."
-Anon2

That is a complete lie! I would see NO drop in my wage or benifits as a result in ALL unions disappearing.

Brandon said...

"Okay, you may earn $20 per hour. A top CEO makes 500 times that much an hour, 10-20 MILLION a week. I'm sure that your wages have been skimmed off by your employer."
-Anon2

Who cares what my employer takes? ITS HIS COMPANY! If he wants to pay himself one million a yr he can, but the company would go broke and I would simply find another job. Its his INVESTMENT and he can cash out at anytime. Who are you to tell him he needs to pay me more from his investment?

Anonymous said...

Brandon: You are arguing with a Socialist. Plain and simple.

Casey said...

Wasn't coming back, but I can't resist this...
last nights election results show what I have been telling you all along. We as Americans do NOT want to be like Europe, we do NOT want to be Socialists, and we like our Capitalism and love our country.
I told you that calling the American people names like "racist" and "stupid" don't work to intimidate anymore. We know that we aren't either one of those things. The TeaParty people aren't weirdos or "radical fringe". they are normal concerned citizens. Not everyone goes to the rallies, but many share the opinions.
Now the people have spoken out loud and clear, and hopefully the politicians are listening. Cap & Trade? Bye-bye!
This will be the one time that I am actually looking forward to seeing Obama on TV.
By the way...Jan Brewer was re-elected as Governor in Arizona. See? The "racist" thing doesn't work anymore. We are tired of it.
(took the house, and damned near took the Senate---far better than expected!)
Oh, and Anon2? Bachmann is still in. I thought of you when I saw that.

Casey said...

What's the matter? Are all you Progressives sitting at home crying over the election results? You didn't REALLY think that we were actually going to end up going down that road, did you?
Seriously. That's funny.

Brandon said...

Easy Casey!
We dont want to act like the liberals did in 2008. Now is the time to be talking about TERM LIMITS and a BALANCED BUDGET.

Casey said...

Sorry, Brandon, but it's true. For 2 years we have been called racist, and stupid (still are; see "Next 2 years, Hold Your Hat" article on this blog---we Americans are "dim witted" and "ignorant". Sad thing is, that is what these Progressives actually think of us!)
I am with David Horowitz on this one. You can't fight fair with these people. They don't play nice and they don't understand the concept of being above it all. (the dirty deals, tricks, and voting irregularities show that)
I am not gloating as much as I am PROUD and AMAZED at how well the system works in this country. They don't get it. Still calling it racism. No. Not that. We don't want Socialism and the people have spoken out loud and clear. We obviously didn't want to "fundamentally transform America"---we wanted to just fix the problems and get it back to the America that we love so much. We Americans ARE exceptional!

CJP said...

Anyone who truly believes that anything Obama has done represents "Socialism" really doesn't know what they are talking about and simply cannot be engaged in a rational discussion.

Casey said...

OMG! Even some of Obama's closest buds are socialists and believe in redistrubution of wealth! Just listen to what they say, and what they believe in. They aren't hiding.
All you have to do is go to a Progressive website and find the Progressive platform to see what the Progressive agenda is all about!
Obama calls himself a Progressive and from what I have read and learned, both want the same ends, but believe in different methods to acceive those ends.
You don't have to be a follower of Karl Marx to be a Socialist. There is such a thing as "soft Socialism" as seen in Britian and other countries in Europe. There is also Capitalistic Socialism. It isn't simple. There are degrees. If I speak of Socialism in derogatives, it is because any form of Socialism---soft or hard, is not what this country was founded on and is not our form of governing. YOU put the negative spin on it. Hey, Socialism may be just fine and dandy for the countries that have it, but it isn't us. That was the only point that I was making and if that doesn't deserve discussion, then you probably shouldn't have a blog. Aren't blogs, in part, for an exchange of ideas? Aren't they designed to initiate discussion?
Very simple: the govenment take over of private business, the expansion of government, the regulation of what we eat (see SF and no more Happy Meals; NYC and no more salt) The appointment of unelected "Czars" (yes, Bush did it too---and it was wrong then as well, but Obama took it to another level)Is that the direction that you think we should go? do you honestly want the government making these kinds of decisions for you? Do you honestly believe that you are too stupid to make food choices on your own? THAT kind of thing is an example of "soft Socialism"--when the government is so expanded that even your food choices are up to the them.

Brandon said...

"Aren't blogs, in part, for an exchange of ideas? Aren't they designed to initiate discussion?"
-Casey

CJP, Raygun and Anon2 only use this blog to name call. When you present them with facts they either run away, change the subject or just call you names. Example: My debate about lowering min wage!

Brandon said...

"...we wanted to just fix the problems and get it back to the America that we love so much. We Americans ARE exceptional!"
-Casey

I love my country and I just HOPE we can prevent the liberals from CHANGING it into Europe!

Brandon said...

so·cial·ism   /ˈsoʊʃəˌlɪzÉ™m/ Show Spelled
[soh-shuh-liz-uhm] Show IPA

–noun
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.



Taking private property from GM stock holder and giving it to their union buddies because its in everyones best interest, is socialism and STEALING!


source:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/socialism

Casey said...

Progressives are Socialists Lite. That is a fact. Go to the websites. Amazing how they try to move in for the kill when we start to have difficulty with the ecnomy. Always have throughout history. 200+ years of greatness and we are supposed to flush it all down the toilet over 3 years of economic correction!
Socialism has never worked. When they can say that they have had a healthy robust economy and society under socialism for 200+ years, then I might listen.

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